Hal Steinbrenner new owner of the Yankees
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MLB owners have approved the transfer of ownership of the Yankees from George to his son.
The end of an era.
The end of an era.
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Not only did he hate losing (as do I), but he was a very charitable man.
God bless you George..
<< <i>George Steinbrenner has my total respect and admiration.
Not only did he hate losing (as do I), but he was a very charitable man.
God bless you George.. >>
edmund ..... have you been drinking
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He's been a huge benefactor to many Tampa Bay Charities including one I have volunteered for.
<< <i>I don't know what the statistics are, but I would say based on my experience in watching and also having worked with "owner's sons", that perhaps 9 out of 10 businesses are run into the ground due to incompetence when an owner's son takes over the business from their father. We'll see what happens with the Yankees. >>
steve,
with all due respect, don't you think George did his part trying to run the Yanks into the ground since 1973? Step back and make sure you know the rollercoaster. Hank and Hal have alot of catching up to do
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<< <i>I don't know what the statistics are, but I would say based on my experience in watching and also having worked with "owner's sons", that perhaps 9 out of 10 businesses are run into the ground due to incompetence when an owner's son takes over the business from their father. We'll see what happens with the Yankees. >>
steve,
with all due respect, don't you think George did his part trying to run the Yanks into the ground since 1973? Step back and make sure you know the rollercoaster. Hank and Hal have alot of catching up to do
Not 100% sure what you meant - I didn't Google it, but I believe George took over his father's shipbuilding business, so George has been a very successful owner's son...and remember I implied that 9 out of 10 are incompetent - most not all.
i don't closely follow the ongoing Steinbrenner family story, but I thought only about a year ago that one of his sons didn't want to participate in the Yankees business any longer...perhaps he changed his mind?
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Not 100% sure what you meant - I didn't Google it, but I believe George took over his father's shipbuilding business, so George has been a very successful owner's son...and remember I implied that 9 out of 10 are incompetent - most not all.
i don't closely follow the ongoing Steinbrenner family story, but I thought only about a year ago that one of his sons didn't want to participate in the Yankees business any longer...perhaps he changed his mind? >>
George did indeed take over the fathers business but he did have a GREAT resume in college, athletics, etc before doing so. Its not like he relied on the silver spoon in his rear end. George was a DRIVEn man.
Now, what I meant was that some of Steinbrenner's Yankee ownership decisions over the years helped alot in trying to run the Yankees into the ground. It only takes basic knowledge of his ownership since 1973 to know this. I will offer up examples if you are not aware as this OBVIOUSLY goes well past actions that effected play on the field. What offset that were some pretty spectacular decisions such as the start up of the YES network and shattering the business model of owning and marketing a franchise and a DEEP DESIRE to win and pour much of his own money back into the team in the earlier years. You just DO NOT see that much today. Imagine that, spending your profits on the team to help ensure a competitive team.
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Not 100% sure what you meant - I didn't Google it, but I believe George took over his father's shipbuilding business, so George has been a very successful owner's son...and remember I implied that 9 out of 10 are incompetent - most not all.
i don't closely follow the ongoing Steinbrenner family story, but I thought only about a year ago that one of his sons didn't want to participate in the Yankees business any longer...perhaps he changed his mind? >>
George did indeed take over the fathers business but he did have a GREAT resume in college, athletics, etc before doing so. Its not like he relied on the silver spoon in his rear end. George was a DRIVEn man.
Now, what I meant was that some of Steinbrenner's Yankee ownership decisions over the years helped alot in trying to run the Yankees into the ground. It only takes basic knowledge of his ownership since 1973 to know this. I will offer up examples if you are not aware as this OBVIOUSLY goes well past actions that effected play on the field. What offset that were some pretty spectacular decisions such as the start up of the YES network and shattering the business model of owning and marketing a franchise and a DEEP DESIRE to win and pour much of his own money back into the team in the earlier years. You just DO NOT see that much today. Imagine that, spending your profits on the team to help ensure a competitive team. >>
I mainly followed the Yankees "saga" through the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper, and the Yankees story would receive a decent amount of press, but as an outside sales rep covering PA and the surrounding states including NY, while up there at lunchtime I would often pick up a Daily News, NY Post or Star Ledger and read their sports page and they would have more Yankees "story" info in one day than the Inquirer would have in months...so I know the "basics" of the story but I'm sure you know much more than me, in the same manner I would likely know much more about the Eagles and Phillies ownership history than you.
Everything you say I believe is true and I'm not sure if you are implying sarcasm or not with Steinbrenner with your quote "trying to run the Yankees into the ground" because really from almost any measurement or perspective, the Yankees since Steinbrenner have been a very successful franchise and business endeavor. Don't forget the Yankees in the few years previous to the Steinbrenner purchase, the Yankees had been a floundering baseball team, since approximately around the time Mantle retired. Add any corrections or your perspective to this if you care to...I'd sincerely be interested in reading it, in a nutshell, nothing long, from a longtime Yankees fan.
Grote15 knows this, but I was actually a big Yankees and Mets fan growing up in the early 60's in Connecticut as a very young boy, but the fam moved to Philly in1965 and it took some years but gradually I "evolved" into a Philadelphia baseball fan. Becoming an Eagles fan was easy because back then, football was more looked at as an adult game, so I didn't really follow it or even understand it much when I was a young kid in Connecticut, so i was never really a big fan of the Giants or Jets, although my dad owned a pool room in Connecticut and a number of the NY Giants players used to go there to shoot pool as it was a respectable, classy place, similar to the nice pool rooms seen often today. I wish I could have gotten some of their autographs but my dad told me not to bother them because they were of course paying customers, and I understood that.
George has been historically lambasted for his constant (before Torre) almost annual managerial firings ( Martin, Berra etc), Howard Spira, horrible wastes on aging free agents (Ken Phelps for Jay Buhner), back stabbing players, coaches and managers in the press, and unrelenting bombastic behavior to any employee from the manager down to many regular Joe office types who he axed just before Christmas, etc, etc, etc.
Through it all he has also been one of the most generous money giving persons who never blinked to write huge checks to charities and the like. A true philanthropist at heart and never wanted to be acknowleged for these deeds despite his huge ego.
Through all of this he still managed to win SIX World Series as a owner. My point AGAINST YOUR POINT is that Hank and Hal have ALOT of screwing up to do to come even close to matching their father. I don't think the Yankees will ever be run into the ground with the immense wealth that George Steinbrenner built while throwing sometimes borrowed money back into the team.
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<< <i>Steve,
George has been historically lambasted for his constant (before Torre) almost annual managerial firings ( Martin, Berra etc), Howard Spira, horrible wastes on aging free agents (Ken Phelps for Jay Buhner), back stabbing players, coaches and managers in the press, and unrelenting bombastic behavior to any employee from the manager down to many regular Joe office types who he axed just before Christmas, etc, etc, etc.
Through it all he has also been one of the most generous money giving persons who never blinked to write huge checks to charities and the like. A true philanthropist at heart and never wanted to be acknowleged for these deeds despite his huge ego.
Through all of this he still managed to win SIX World Series as a owner. My point AGAINST YOUR POINT is that Hank and Hal have ALOT of screwing up to do to come even close to matching their father. I don't think the Yankees will ever be run into the ground with the immense wealth that George Steinbrenner built while throwing sometimes borrowed money back into the team. >>
The info you mentioned is pretty much well known info even by non-baseball fans - nothing you mentioned here is informative really...I thought you were going to add some interesting insights generally not known outside the NY City area.
As for George Steinbrenner "screwing up" I'm not sure what you're thinking tonight but he bought the Yankees for I believe it was 10 million dollars, and you mentioned the winning, and of course the dollar amount the Yankees are worth today is of course worth considerably much. MUCH more than 10 million dollars and I know you wouldn't debate that whatsoever. I don't think you quite understand how badly owner's sons can screw up a business for a multitude of reasons - You're an excellent poster here on Sportstalk but wow, you're totally and completely off base on this point.
In any event, we'll see what the future brings as far as the Yankees are concerned. I hope the sons of Steinbrenner realize that everything has a breaking point, including professional sports, and a business can't keep paying exorbitant salaries without sooner or later there comes a time when the marketplace can't absorb the cost, and then it's chapter 11 or something like that...and it's an easy call in this bad economy especially in the NY area - the Yankees should be downsizing a bit right now, and reducing costs, and not signing average pitchers to 140 million dollar contracts.
<< <i>I don't know what the statistics are, but I would say based on my experience in watching and also having worked with "owner's sons", that perhaps 9 out of 10 businesses are run into the ground due to incompetence when an owner's son takes over the business from their father. We'll see what happens with the Yankees. >>
steve,
your inital comment was as stated above. About as bland and general as one could get. My comments started in reaction to this. How did this get to you thinking I would offer up or profess to know some top secret George info known "only inside NY"
<< <i>I don't think you quite understand how badly owner's sons can screw up a business for a multitude of reasons - You're an excellent poster here on Sportstalk but wow, you're totally and completely off base on this point. >>
Thanks for the props Steve but I have no idea where you are coming from. I named a BUNCH of huge mistakes that George himself made with the players, managers, trades, and off field stuff. I brought up these things to HIGHLITE the things Hal and Hank can avoid blindfolded. It is a bit amusing that you are so stuck on this general "sons screwing up dads business" angle
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<< <i>I don't know what the statistics are, but I would say based on my experience in watching and also having worked with "owner's sons", that perhaps 9 out of 10 businesses are run into the ground due to incompetence when an owner's son takes over the business from their father. We'll see what happens with the Yankees. >>
steve,
your inital comment was as stated above. About as bland and general as one could get. My comments started in reaction to this. How did this get to you thinking I would offer up or profess to know some top secret George info known "only inside NY"
<< <i>I don't think you quite understand how badly owner's sons can screw up a business for a multitude of reasons - You're an excellent poster here on Sportstalk but wow, you're totally and completely off base on this point. >>
Thanks for the props Steve but I have no idea where you are coming from. I named a BUNCH of huge mistakes that George himself made with the players, managers, trades, and off field stuff. I brought up these things to HIGHLITE the things Hal and Hank can avoid blindfolded. It is a bit amusing that you are so stuck on this general "sons screwing up dads business" angle
Well, let's forget about that then, but for sure all business owners make mistakes, especially when they're in the NY spotlight like Steinbrenner is, owning, probably the most well known sports franchise on earth.
I strongly believe Steinbrenner's successes with the Yankees far outweigh his mistakes. With his sons, I say, it's just my opinion, that the opposite will likely be true and it's based on a 140 million dollar contract to an average pitcher...they're beginning a recipe for disaster and they probably won't see it coming until it's too late. Mark my words - if his sons don't smarten up, chapter 11 for the Yankees won't be a question of "if" but just a question of "when."
"On April 27, 1982, in (Reggie) Jackson's first game back at Yankee Stadium with the Angels, he broke out of a terrible season-starting slump to hit a home run off former teammate Ron Guidry. The at-bat began with Yankee fans, angry at Steinbrenner for letting Jackson get away, starting the "Reg-GIE!" chant, and ended it with the fans chanting "Steinbrenner sucks!" By the time of Jackson's election to the Hall of Fame, Steinbrenner had begun to say that letting him go was the biggest mistake he has made as Yankee owner."