Mussina to Retire

Barndog

ok, here's a new one:

Mike Mussina to retire, so says FoxSports and ESPN (quoting FoxSports). I hope makes the HOF

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lawnmowerman

<< <i>I see it was already posted! >>





What are ya crazy or something? I don't see another . thread

Barndog

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<< <i>I see it was already posted! >>





What are ya crazy or something? I don't see another . thread >>



crazy

Barndog

found some "new" news and can save the thread

bman90278

ESPN is saying the same thing. Congrats to Mussina on a great and maybe a HOF career! I guess he's not too worried about the HOF as another great year would have certainly helped his case.

Brian

edmundfitzgerald

Mike Mussina and Mike Boddicker both pitched for the Orioles and both had pretty much the same stuff. Both
won't be in the hall of fame. Just my opinion.

Being that I didn't follow his career too closely, can anyone tell me of any big games this guy won.
Did he have a Curt Schilling type game, or a Jack Morris, or Dave Stewart like game in his career ?
How about a Jonathan Lester type game, or Catfish Hunter, or Pedro Martinez ?

I just don't know too much about his career.

TheVon

I guess this means that the Yankees really will need to throw extra money at CC, Burnett, and Lowe so they can fill our a complete major league starting rotation.

edmundfitzgerald

Don't think CC is coming to NY.

I will say on behalf of Mussina that if he didn't spend his entire career pitching in the tough AL East, then he may have
had as many wins at Maddux if he pitched against the NL Least.

bman90278

<< <i> Mike Mussina and Mike Boddicker both pitched for the Orioles and both had pretty much the same stuff. >>



I don't want to show any disrespect towards your knowledge or love of baseball, but how in the hell can you compare Mussina and Boddicker. Yes Boddicker had good seasons at times, but he wasn't able to substain it throughout his career. Most professional athletes have great talents. but the great players get better, they adjust and substain their performance levels throughout their careers. Again, I'm not saying Mussina will be a HOF player, although he certainly ended his career with HOF like #'s.

Brian

MantleMarisFordBerra

Much respect to Moose if he is indeed walking away. I personally would not have made the same choice. He is, as the old song goes, "So close, yet so far away...". In my opinion, he needed 300 wins to be a HOF pitcher. How hard would it have been to resign with the Yanks for 2 more years, maybe pick up a ring, get your 3000 strikeouts, and be real close or over 300 wins. At that ppoint, he waltzes into the HOF first ballot.

I do however give him the same respect I give to Barry Sanders & Jim Brown & Don Mattingly for packing it in with no regards to anything but personal happiness.

Thanks for the memories Moose!!

SeatedCoin

He will waltz into the Hall of Fame. After all the majority of the batters he faced had muscles in their heads because of the juice they were on.

He is substantially above average in 3 categories compared to other Hall of Fame Picthers

Black Ink: Pitching - 15 (141) (Average HOFer ≈ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 244 (23) (Average HOFer ≈ 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 54.0 (28) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 121.0 (67) (Likely HOFer > 100)

Mike Cole Musinna

He compares very favorably to Juan Marichal

edmundfitzgerald

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<< <i> Mike Mussina and Mike Boddicker both pitched for the Orioles and both had pretty much the same stuff. >>



I don't want to show any disrespect towards your knowledge or love of baseball, but how in the hell can you compare Mussina and Boddicker. >>



I didn't compare them. I said they pretty much had the same stuff. They offered good change of speeds, and kept hitters off balanced enough to sneak their fastballs by them. They didn't blow hitters away, so they used their change of speeds to keep them on their toes.

Please tell me where I was comparing their careers or accomplishments ? Don't worry, you won't find it. Because I didn't.
I just said they had the same stuff.

Morgoth

Still its a backhanded compliment to compare the two knowing one is no where near a HOFer.

bman90278

<< <i>I didn't compare them. I said they pretty much had the same stuff. They offered good change of speeds, and kept hitters off balanced enough to sneak their fastballs by them. They didn't blow hitters away, so they used their change of speeds to keep them on their toes.

Please tell me where I was comparing their careers or accomplishments ? Don't worry, you won't find it. Because I didn't.
I just said they had the same stuff. >>




Then why did you use them in the same sentence saying they had much the same stuff??? It's just seems like an Irrelevant thing to say. Mussina having a great career and having a chance at the HOF has nothing to do with him having stuff like any other pitcher in baseball, let alone Boddicker. It only has to do with what he accomplished during his career. I can think of LOTs of pitchers who had awesome stuff and couldn't get out of an inning and I can think of pitchers who had basic stuff who were among the best. It only matters how they pitched.

Respectfully,
Brian

Connecticoin

Who knows, he may pull a "Brett Favre", but I doubt it.

edmundfitzgerald

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<< <i>I didn't compare them. I said they pretty much had the same stuff. They offered good change of speeds, and kept hitters off balanced enough to sneak their fastballs by them. They didn't blow hitters away, so they used their change of speeds to keep them on their toes.

Please tell me where I was comparing their careers or accomplishments ? Don't worry, you won't find it. Because I didn't.
I just said they had the same stuff. >>




Then why did you use them in the same sentence saying they had much the same stuff??? It's just seems like an Irrelevant thing to say. Mussina having a great career and having a chance at the HOF has nothing to do with him having stuff like any other pitcher in baseball, let alone Boddicker. It only has to do with what he accomplished during his career. I can think of LOTs of pitchers who had awesome stuff and couldn't get out of an inning and I can think of pitchers who had basic stuff who were among the best. It only matters how they pitched.

Respectfully,
Brian >>



Brian,
If I would have said Jonathan Lester and Frank Tanana had the same stuff, all it is referring to is how they pitch, and the pitches they use to get hitters out.
It has nothing to do with career accomplishments. Same thing with Boddicker and Mussina. If you found it irrelevant, then
thanks for expressing your opinion. That's always fair game here

Connecticoin

<< <i>I hope makes the HOF
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Blyleven should in go before Mussina does.