Pedroia AL MVP
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Well-deserved!!!
Excellent!
He damn near put the Sox in the World Series as well -- he barely missed plunking a Wheeler fastball out of the park in Game 7.
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Dustin Pedroia, BOS 16 6 4 1 317 - 16first place
Justin Morneau, MIN 7 7 6 3 3 1 1 257 - 7first place
Kevin Youkilis, BOS 2 4 4 9 2 4 1 2 201 - 2first place
Joe Mauer, MIN 2 8 1 3 4 3 3 2 1 188 - 2first place
Carlos Quentin, CWS 1 4 8 4 4 4 1 1 160
Francisco Rodriguez, LAA 1 2 6 1 6 3 2 2 143 -1first place
Josh Hamilton, TEX 2 2 3 7 3 2 4 3 112
Alex Rodriguez, NYY 1 1 4 1 4 7 45
Carlos Pena, TB 1 2 2 3 2 3 44
Grady Sizemore, CLE 2 1 5 6 1 42
Pedroia joins Cal Ripken Jr. and Ryan Howard as the only players to win Rookie of the Year and MVP in consecutive years.
For his performance in 2008, Pedroia received a Gold Glove Award, a spot on the American League's Silver Slugger team and now the MVP.
The voters actually gave Dustin, a slightly higher percentage of first place votes, than Pujols got in th NL voting,
16/28 = 57.1%, as opposed to 18/32 = 56.3 %
<< <i>Im just waiting for Dallasactuary to pop in and tell us how foolish it is that Pedroia won it and how absurd it is that someone like Robinson Cano should have won it or something ridiculas like that. >>
Well, Cano was my pick to win it.......
Only kidding, Congrats to Pedroia!
I will jump in and say that this is another piece of evidence that the writers are morons. Why? Because on one hand with Pedroia they recognize the value of a second baseman and can put him as an MVP despite having lesser offensive numbers than some corner fielder, BUT, on the other hand.....
They don't apply that same logic to Chase Utley, even though he was actually a BETTER offensive player than a defensive liability teammate who got more votes!
Oh wait, did all the morons forget that the HR and RBI leader of the team should be the MVP?? Shouldn't all the mopes who are on the Howard wagon be clamoring for Youkilis?
The only thing the writers are consistent at is contradicting themselves, much like many of the fans. Yet these fans idolize these writers and are brainwashed, and can't logically break something down for themselves to see the absolute folly in their ways.
These are the same guys who gave the award to Juan Gonzalez over Alex Rodriguez, an instance where they ignored positional value. So no, they do contradict themselves...as well as their NL morons.
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These are the same guys who gave the award to Juan Gonzalez over Alex Rodriguez, an instance where they ignored positional value. So no, they do contradict themselves...as well as their NL morons. >>
AROD SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pedroia the destroya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well-deserved.
100% hustle every day, great attitude, unlike one ex-Sox player that comes to mind.
I'm not slighting Pedroia. I haven't even given thought on the merit of the AL race. I am slighting the writers for their idiocy and contrdictions that are so blatant with this years voting(and past years).
No matter which way you slice it, with Pedroia winning the award, and Utley being nothing but an afterthought, it is clear that one of those two were either severely slighted, or severely over-rewarded.
<< <i>Edmundfitzgerald, please do not give Red Sox fans a bad name. >>
Hoopster. Perhaps you are not a Red Sox or Yankee fan.
Do you call yourself a knowledgeable baseball fan ? If so, then you don't need to be filled in on the fact that Red Sox fans enjoy
watching the Yankees lose. We also enjoy watching Arod lose even more. We respect guys like Mo, Jeter, and a few others,
but we can't stand Arod. For that matter, some Yankee fans can't stand Arod either.
Sincerely,
Class Dismissed
By you saying Arod sucks either shows a lack of understanding of baseball to believe he does suck, or you are one of those yinzers who just likes to shout meaningless ramblings and talk 'smack'. Either one of those is not a flattering thing to be, and gives Red Sox fans a bad name.
Had you said you don't like his attitude, I can give you that.
Or maybe you could have just realized that I was referring to the 1996 MVP award. You were probably in diapers that year, so maybe I should forgive.
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Sincerely,
Class Dismissed >>
Not cool stealing JS's trade mark.......
He give you permission?
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Sincerely,
Class Dismissed
Not cool stealing JS's trade mark.......
He give you permission? >>
I doubt it. Last I heard, Jim Rome was still trying to get JS to stop using his trademark.
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<< <i>Im just waiting for Dallasactuary to pop in and tell us how foolish it is that Pedroia won it and how absurd it is that someone like Robinson Cano should have won it or something ridiculas like that. >>
I'm honored, I'm sure.
As MVP picks go, Pedroia was just a run-of-the-mill bad pick, not the extraordinarily brain-dead pick I was expecting in the NL. Not that Pedroia was much better than Howard - he was only a little better - but the AL this year just didn't have runaway best players like Pujols and Berkman in the NL.
Pedroia does present one of the same problems that Howard had - he wasn't the best player on his team. Youkilis was. But Pedroia was one of the top 10 players in the AL, at least, and maybe even top 5 so I can't get too worked up over his winning. I'd have given it to Mauer, Youkilis or Morneau (I don't know for sure which) and I certainly wouldn't have complained if any one of those three had won it.
I am pleasantly surprised that Hamilton did so poorly despite his HR and RBI numbers. I won't live to see the day when all the sportswriters figure out what is valuable to a baseball team, but there do seem to be more and more of them every year. Not even my grandkids, unfortunately, will ever live to see the day when Red Sox fans figure that out.
I have ALWAYS been put to sleep by these meaningless awards. To me thay mean nothing and I have thought that ever since I became a fan. The MVP, CY Young, etc, bla bla bla.
As many of you know, I am a die hard Yankee fan. YOU WILL NEVER see me whining or chearing on a Yankee player not chosen or chosen for these kinds of awards. I care a little bit about the Hall of Fame. But these awards? Nahhhh
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<< <i>Hey Dallas its all good- I just hope your grandkids never grow up and actually believe that this guy was the best baseball player ever to play the game.
My grandkids will not be idiots - they will surely know that Ron Fairly was the greatest player of all time. (Unless by then Robinson Cano has passed him.)
But I don't think the Pedroia award is that bad. Compare him to Morneau we get this...
Pedroia OPS+ 122
Morneau OPS+ 137
Pedroia Batter Runs 22+ 6 Stolen Base Runs = 28
Morneau Batter Runs 35 + -.60 Stolen Base Runs =35
So Pedroia is seven runs behind Morneau, but then Morneau did much better hitting with men on base, which I would estimate that it negates the impact from the stolen base runs.
So really Morneau was about 13 runs better than Pedroia offensively. I don't know where each of them ranked in the fielding bible, but when you consider their positions, it is close enough, so it really isn't too bad.
That is a far cry from the Pujols/Howard debate.
<< <i>There is certainly one thing I learned in this thread...that Edmundfitzgerald is one of the new breed of Red Sox fans, when he jumped on board in 2004.
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Hoopster, do you laugh at yourself when you look in the mirror ?
You pride yourself on statistical evidence to prove your point, and then you make a claim about someone with no
evidence to back it up. People like this start to loose their moxi when they show themselves like this.
Now back to Arod. He has no world championship. He will never win a world championship. MVP awards suck, CY Young awards suck,
ROY sucks, and so does Arod. It's all about the team, and Pedroia is a great guy to have on a team. Arod is a selfish clown.
If MVP awards suck, why bother congratulate Pedroia?
You give Red Sox fans a bad name. Please go away.
Pedroia had a sick run for about 3 or 4 weeks in August (admittedly while the Sox surged in WC standings), but he wasn't better than Youkilis during the other 5+ months.
In a year where no one stood out, Pedroia is as good a choice as anyone...
I believe I backed Jeter over Morneau for that MVP award a couple of years back. I also backed Mauer over Morneau that year too.
I did a semi-detailed evaluation of Jeter vs. Morneau, and the finding was that Jeter was a better choice.
not my personal number ones, in either case, but certainly reasonable.
Just for comment, via which league's group of voters emphasizes certain items differently;
Runs are the currency of the game, the lone stat whhich actually detemines the outcome, not merely contributory, meaningful, or interesting items, but how a game is won or lost, by their net difference.
In scoring runs the AL guy lead his league, the NL guy was about 13th.
In preventing runs, the AL fellow, got a Gold Glove at a "tough" defensive position, the NL person did not at 1B.
And, perhaps considering what Pujols himself said in 2006, the AL voters may have concurred with him, that the award should go to a member of a playoff team, while the NL voters did not agree.
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<< <i>There is certainly one thing I learned in this thread...that Edmundfitzgerald is one of the new breed of Red Sox fans, when he jumped on board in 2004.
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Hoopster, do you laugh at yourself when you look in the mirror ?
You pride yourself on statistical evidence to prove your point, and then you make a claim about someone with no
evidence to back it up. People like this start to loose their moxi when they show themselves like this.
Now back to Arod. He has no world championship. He will never win a world championship. MVP awards suck, CY Young awards suck,
ROY sucks, and so does Arod. It's all about the team, and Pedroia is a great guy to have on a team. Arod is a selfish clown.
So how old are you?
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