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Have you ever seen a PCGS MS69 Saint Gaudens $20?

SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736
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PCGS has given 10 1908 No Motto $20s a grade of MS69. Have you ever seen one? Did it blow you away?

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, but I have seen an NGC MS-69, and it was very impressive.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS has given 10 1908 No Motto $20s a grade of MS69. Have you ever seen one? Did it blow you away? >>



    I recall seeing one of the Wells Fargo hoard Saints, I was still standing after seeing the coin... the asking price did blow me away! image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>PCGS has given 10 1908 No Motto $20s a grade of MS69. Have you ever seen one? Did it blow you away? >>



    I recall seeing one of the Wells Fargo hoard Saints, I was still standing after seeing the coin... the asking price did blow me away! image >>



    I would guess that they are from the Wells-Fargo accumulation. Many of those coins were, ahem, ambitiously graded.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think all of the MS69's are from the Wells Hoard.

    You dont see them too often.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think all of the MS69's are from the Wells Hoard.

    You dont see them too often. >>



    All OGH too.
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I saw one, I like the character marks and price of the nicer MS65 coins over the MS69. There is just something wrong with an old coin that looks new to me. image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SmallEagle, Saintguru I feel has seen a few more then anyone else on the boards... lets wait for his 2000 cents of input! imageimage
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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I've seen an ultra high relief Saint in PR-69 and it was quite nice. The price, $5,000,000.00 was too much for my pocket book that day.
    Tom

  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736


    << <i>I've seen an ultra high relief Saint in PR-69 and it was quite nice. The price, $5,000,000.00 was too much for my pocket book that day. >>



    The 1908s are more like $100K.

    This one sold for $80,500 in 2006.

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  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    Haven't seen them in hand, and although I don't like early 20th century gold that much, owning such a coin is something I wouldn't mindimage

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I saw one, I like the character marks and price of the nicer MS65 coins over the MS69. There is just something wrong with an old coin that looks new to me. image >>



    What's the difference between "character marks" and "bag marks"? About $500?

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  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736


    << <i>SmallEagle, Saintguru I feel has seen a few more then anyone else on the boards... lets wait for his 2000 cents of input! >>



    Perhaps Sainty is too busy buying up cheap stocks tonight...

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  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    Old as this may be....I have NEVER seen a 1908 MS69 that looked any different than an MS68...and one that looked like 67!

    Those Wells Fargo coins were graded during someone's wet dream. image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No, but I have seen an NGC MS-69, and it was very impressive. >>



    Me, too.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • DaveEDaveE Posts: 367 ✭
    I saw the mint state High Relief in 69-its pretty darn cool.
  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Old as this may be....I have NEVER seen a 1908 MS69 that looked any different than an MS68...and one that looked like 67!

    Those Wells Fargo coins were graded during someone's wet dream. image >>




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  • BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    "I saw the mint state High Relief in 69-its pretty darn cool."

    Ditto & image
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  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Most of the hoard coins are overgraded. So much for standards.
  • SmallEagleSmallEagle Posts: 736
    I hear a lot of trashing of hoard coins and one person who didn't like the MS69 because they don't like coins that look like new...image

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  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭


    << <i>I hear a lot of trashing of hoard coins and one person who didn't like the MS69 because they don't like coins that look like new...image >>



    We aren't hating on the coins themselves, just the game... image
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  • ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    I held a 1907 EX-HR in PCGS PR69. Link Wonder if they will crack it out to get the plus! image

    Seriously, that coin was so perfect that it did not look real. It looked like it was liquid gold. Hard to explain.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>No, but I have seen an NGC MS-69, and it was very impressive. >>



    Me, too. >>



    The fact that you replied to your own reply 19 months later intentionally or unintentionally made me chuckle outloudimage

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  • OxenhamOxenham Posts: 63
    I looked at some Wells Fargo hoard coins about ten years ago at one of those generic gold boiler rooms in Santa Monica. I was looking at a few 67's, but not impressed. Then the guy brings in the closer with a NGC 68 that was a lustrous blazer. They initially were asking $35,000 but I passed, then he lowered it to $30,000, still no interest. By the time I walked out they were down to $27,000 but I knew better. Now a decade later the WF hoard 68's are going for about $16,000-$17,000.

    I can't imagine the 69's looking any different than the 68's and neither look as good as an accurately graded 1924 MS67.
  • OxenhamOxenham Posts: 63
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>No, but I have seen an NGC MS-69, and it was very impressive. >>



    Me, too. >>



    The fact that you replied to your own reply 19 months later intentionally or unintentionally made me chuckle outloudimage

    MJ >>


    I am thinking about doing it again!
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sure the 69's look better than the 68's and the 68's better than the 67's. The question might be whether there's a full grading point between each grade. PCGS and NGC
    got to grade those all at once so it's not like there was a huge amount of time to allow for different graders and inconsistencies. I've seen some of the 67's and they were
    impressive coins. I'm sure the 68's and 69's are even more impressive. I don't see what's so bad about identifying the top 10 coins out of >5,000 pieces. Gem gold coins
    do have marks. I would equate a MS67 Saint to a MS66 Morgan. So I would expect a MS69 Saint to be as choice as a MS68 Morgan. They won't be perfect and mark free, but
    will be the cleanest 1908 Saint's in existence. I've seen the 1894-s $5 Lib in NGC MS69 and it was far from perfect. Had a couple scrapes on the obverse. But when you have the finest
    known by several points, the label is secondary.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>No, but I have seen an NGC MS-69, and it was very impressive. >>



    Me, too. >>



    The fact that you replied to your own reply 19 months later intentionally or unintentionally made me chuckle outloudimage

    MJ >>


    I am thinking about doing it again! >>



    The funny (or sad) thing is that I re read the thread over like it was for the very first time and saw your reply to your own post and I was going to call you out on it until I realized I already didimage. Dayum. MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    either way id love to see one pcgs or ngc.

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