Rainbow Toned Churchill Crown from greattoning

FlyingEagle · November 11, 2008 2:00AM

Not something you see to often. Looks natural unlike the other one floatign around.

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7Jaguars · November 11, 2008 2:04AM

OK, he always gets mad when I say this, but as it is my opinion: NOT NATURAL TONING. As many others with experience on this board may attest, we (and I) have seen many of these crowns and other than some lame attempts at toning they just do not look this way.

I know, I know, some people essentially believe that all toning is natural - after all it is God's way, right? - but this one I would call out regardless of its TPG status.

Still, whatever floats each and every person's boat is alright....

newbiecollector · November 11, 2008 2:16AM

May I enter this giveaway for just the bottom photo part?

TwoKopeiki · November 11, 2008 2:28AM

I don't know what would make cupronickel tone this way, but I don't think it's natural. I've seen many of these come out of their original plastic black holder after 30 years with just pale blue or rose tints.

Have you seen a naturally toned Ike dollar like this? Or a Kennedy half? (at least I think those are cupronickel, too - correct me if I'm wrong).

WWW · November 11, 2008 2:46AM

I have multiple sets of New Zealand pre-decimal CU/Ni coins (and some other world issues) that have wonderful toning.
And I used to own a colorfully toned 1903 Liberty V nickel and many color toned Buffalo nickels.
So it's possible. However, this example does not look right to me.

newbiecollector · November 11, 2008 2:50AM

WOW...........WWW

That was you 2003 post and you joined in 2003.......ok strange observation I realise.

ajaan · November 11, 2008 3:02AM

I would really have to see the coin in hand before making a judgement on NT ot AT.

cacheman · November 11, 2008 4:19AM

it's been baked.

Cladiator · November 11, 2008 5:07AM

No amount of toning (AT or NT) can take the ugly out of a Churchill Crown.

1jester · November 11, 2008 11:55AM

<< OK, he always gets mad when I say this, but as it is my opinion: NOT NATURAL TONING. As many others with experience on this board may attest, we (and I) have seen many of these crowns and other than some lame attempts at toning they just do not look this way.

I know, I know, some people essentially believe that all toning is natural - after all it is God's way, right? - but this one I would call out regardless of its TPG status.

Still, whatever floats each and every person's boat is alright.... >>

Ditto. Again.

dan8402 · November 11, 2008 12:15PM

<< Have you seen a naturally toned Ike dollar like this? Or a Kennedy half? (at least I think those are cupronickel, too - correct me if I'm wrong). >>

Kennedy 50¢ are cupro-nickel only after 1970 with the exception of bicentennial issues in 1975/1976. In 1964 they were 90% silver, 1965-1970 were silver-clad (40% silver), and proofs bicentennials were also silver-clad. Other than that, issues after 1970 were cupro-nickel clad.

Doogy · November 11, 2008 12:50PM

sorry, but that looks as natural as this horrific monster

coinpictures · November 11, 2008 11:38PM

Careful. The mods here have zapped any and all discussion of that AT monster that made its way from a PCI problem slab into a PCGS legit slab. They don't want word of that abomination to get around. Be well, citizen.

BS · November 12, 2008 12:05AM

<< sorry, but that looks as natural as this horrific monster

>>

Wow, I can't believe that they slabbed that.

cowpens · November 12, 2008 10:40AM

it's been baked.

10-4 on the baked.

MrD · November 12, 2008 10:54AM

This message was emailed by the consignor. I must admit the coin was not easy to image and perhaps it was my fault for not being 100% accurate but I think whoever wins the coin will be satisfied.

<< The coin came out of a large collection of coins which based on the
writing on the boxes and flips, the collection clearly hadn’t been
touched in probably 30 years. The collection included many bank wrapped
rolls and sealed boxes from various mints dating from the 60’s and
earlier. No coin in the collection was dated in the 1970’s or later.
This coin (and 4,000+ others) were housed in very old Kraft-type
envelope which was starting to disintegrate. The toning is absolutely
100% natural. A handful of other clad coins from the same collection
have taken on colorful toning including the Israel coins that you
currently have listed. Also, many of the silver and copper coins toned
up nicely. >>

ormandh · November 12, 2008 10:56AM

The first picture looks like a NT coin. I think that one has to look at it in hand before jumping to conclusions. I am wondering about the target toning on the obverse however, but only because it is framing Churchill perfectly. -Dan

MrD · November 12, 2008 11:14AM

One note in response to the assumption that I get mad if somone thinks some of my coins are AT. I don't grade the coins, I just sell consignments (mostly third party graded coins) from collectors and dealers all over the world. What has bothered me in the past were comments made on my advertisement page on the PCGS buy sell and trade forum. There is a time and place for everything. Your comments here are fine and welcomed.