All of this guys t206's are NOT fakes... my fault

Distelrath

Fake tobacco cards

Notice that they ALL have brown backs. Every real one I have has a white back... EXCEPT for the one I bought knowing it was a reprint, which has a BROWN BACK. I guess it's time to tell the Ebay cops. He's got more that end in 8 hrs. I guess I will post links to the ones ending in an hour. I feel for those that fell for it.

LaPorte
Jones
Marshall
Jackson (someone's REALLY getting took on this one)


Please help me bust this scam artist
Here's all of his listings as of yet

130266659125
130266659126
130266659131
130266659128
130266748931
130266748930
130266748935
130266748934
130266748932


-Ryan

jimq112

I don't know a lot about T206 cards, but I've never seen any fakes with brown names on front like the ones he's selling. Are you pretty sure the ones he has listed are fakes?

nightcrawler

I have no idea about this seller.

But it seems like scammers always load up their auction descriptions with player stats and Bio crap???

I guess legit sellers do it also, but I rarely see it myself, if ever. But the scammers do it often.

Distelrath

<< <i>I don't know a lot about T206 cards, but I've never seen any fakes with brown names on front like the ones he's selling. Are you pretty sure the ones he has listed are fakes? >>



I'm pretty darned sure. Look at how clean the fronts are and how dingy the backs are. Here is a real one that I purchased:




Compared to his:



Could it be a coincidence that ALL of his look like this, considering I knowingly bought a reprint with the same toning on the back?

2dueces

Atificial aged backs dipped in tea. FAKE.

rube26105

he be tea baggin it, or coffee

rube26105

i like the covered in ink look he has going on too

Distelrath

Just noticed this one from another of his auctions with the "blue backs"



Hahahha you can SEE some of the blue dye on the scanner (to the right)

jimq112

I'm convinced

FAKE!

Morgoth

What's with the big red box there at the bottom of the blue dyed sample? It looks like he marked out something.

Distelrath

<< <i>What's with the big red box there at the bottom of the blue dyed sample? It looks like he marked out something. >>



In his title he wrote this:

"1909-11 T206 Harry McIntyre Sweet Caporal 150 Back
FACTORY NO. 649 1ST DIST. NY BOLD LINE RARE BACK!"

Distelrath

Ahhh just for fun here's all he has to offer:


This one could actually pass as legit (no tea). I like the burn marks though. Only shows it's GOT to be real!











So Piedmont & Polar Bear=Brown Sweet Caporal=Blue

My favorite is still the card that stained the scanner... classic.

jmlabonner

Ahh so I can clear things up about the "Brown Backs" here are pictures taken from a camera and not a scanner. You guys are really hilarious especially Ryan! Thanks for the humor!

BunchOBull

The signs of concern for me are what appears to be pixelated black lines.

BunchOBull

I will say the staple holes in the McIntyre are a great touch.

Distelrath

<< <i>Ahh so I can clear things up about the "Brown Backs" here are pictures taken from a camera and not a scanner. You guys are really hilarious especially Ryan! Thanks for the humor! >>



Larger pictures would be QUITE helpful, jlmabonner

Thanks

jmlabonner

mccardguy1

<< <i>Ahh so I can clear things up about the "Brown Backs" here are pictures taken from a camera and not a scanner. You guys are really hilarious especially Ryan! Thanks for the humor! >>




So these tiny pictures prove what????

Distelrath

<< <i>Ahh so I can clear things up about the "Brown Backs" here are pictures taken from a camera and not a scanner. You guys are really hilarious especially Ryan! Thanks for the humor! >>


...and what of the blue ink on the scanner?

jmlabonner

There is no blue ink on the scanner. I have no clue why the pictures turned out so bad. Iam taking individual pictures right now to upload.

jmlabonner

BunchOBull

As long as the solid black lines aren't pixelated, I may actually bid on one of these.

Ahmanfan

camnitz and mcelveen look real to me.

Distelrath

I was actually going to bid on a couple of these cards earlier this morning until I noticed the "brown backs". I only have one example of a reproduction and the back is brown on it. It must be a color/brightness/contrast setting on your scanner making them look that way. Please accept my apology for causing such a ruckus. I normally do not behave that way. I feel and look like an idiot and I'd greatly appreciate if you accept my apology.

Sorry,
Ryan Distelrath

jmlabonner

I accept your appology. I can understand the why you would post it though. As many crooks that there are out on E-bay, it's hard to find honest sellers. All I ask is that if you did contact anyone that is bidding on my cards please let them know the truth. Thank you in advance.

John

WinPitcher

I suggest the next time someone thinks something vintage is fake is to
ask the guys over at 54. They can tell just by looking at the font.


Steve

rube26105

with the scans ,sure looked like it to me, wonder why they came out brown and green/blue tint to them?? thats the difference between night and day between your scans,and digital pics- i have a new scanner but i dont mess with it yet, im too old and dont want to read the directions on it!!!!!!!i just use digital camera

jswieton

<< <i>There is no blue ink on the scanner. I have no clue why the pictures turned out so bad. Iam taking individual pictures right now to upload. >>



"There is no blue ink on the scanner." That is a classic lol.

lsutigers1973

The blue dye marks on the scanner are in every pic.

Ladder7

These look legit.

BunchOBull

I was outbid on everyone I bid on...this thread may have helped him realize slightly higher prices than he has been getting on these diamonds in the rough.

bcwcardz

informative thread.I was thinking if this guys a crook they why doesnt he put up the high dollar cards not these scrubs.Glad everything was a ok.Thats really a crappy scanner though.

rube26105

if his pics were better on stuff they might have went for more?all mine on auction are slabbed,so they legit

fkw

Cards are authentic in every way. At least the 1st 2 I looked at are.

You may want to know more about what you are ripping before you rip someone cards and auctions.

fkw

PS every card pictured on this post is authentic.

In order to determine a fake T206 card you need to look at the way the card was made..... not the color of the scan. The reprinters will have the photo area cropped in design and then a new white border added (this keeps print dots out of the border when it is rescreened). After they add the new border they need to find a font that closely matches the original card but they never get it right. The fakes will have a font that is slightly different with the spacing of the letters wrong. On top of this the authentic cards are lithographed (many layers of separate colors) a process that a reprint will never have.

T206 reprints are very easy to spot, no need to look too hard.

On these cards the wear alone proves they are authentic, a new card will never wear the way these 100 year old lithographed cards wear.

Distelrath

I personally got 4 of his remaining cards, including the infamous blue streak on scanner one. MAN I feel like a tool for even bringing this topic up. I'm pretty sure his cards did realize a higher price with the publicity it got on these forums. I suppose I made it up to him by winning 4 out of 6 of them. Lesson well learnt.

-Ryan

WinPitcher

It probably would have been nice if you changed the title of this thread too.


Steve

bman90278

Hi jmlabonner / John, Just wondering what scanner are you using and what settings are you using? Maybe I can help you on the settings. I would hate to see you scan more cards with the same settings as you will NOT get fair value in the future on selling cards.

Good luck to you.

Brian