<< <i>A couple of things I saw that resulted in the Eagles losing that game...
#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD #2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter #3-Horrible coaching by Andy Reid trying to run it TWICE on 3rd and 1 and then 4th and 1 with your last chance.
I friggen hate the Giants so I was rooting for the Eagles but in my opinion I think the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl again. >>
Spot on with all 3 points.
I still can't believe that call with Manning got overturned - that could very well have been a game killer, but the Eagles still need to play better football. I could go into a long dissertation on proper play calling during a football game to enable your team to have the best chance to win...and Andy Reid for whatever reason STILL does not know how to do that...he really doesn't, and it's aggravating as yell because basically he is an excellent football coach but he needs play calling help during the games and he's not getting it or he is too much of a "control freak" to accept the help.
<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD >>
I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it.
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<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD >>
I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV.
#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that.
<< <i>#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that. >>
Didnt you watch McNabb in the Super Bowl against the Pats?
<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD >>
I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
I am not convinced the 'redefined line" as they called it was moved, but was more turned into a 3D line. Looking at a 2D line on the ground you can not make a for sure comment on something when you are looking at it on angle and comparing it with something in the air. This is a basic rule of perspective. It is often used in television and in movies, such as the late Steve the Crocodile dude, who you might have noticed always filmed at an angle. As we are talking about inches, you simply can not trust your eyes with that type of view.
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<< <i>#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that. >>
Could have been something else - could have been maybe he got the wind knocked out of him, and if you've ever had that happen to you, you'll know that it's impossible to move around until that feeling dissipates. I think actually the "bigger problem" with McNabb in those situations is mental more than physical - he gets that "deer staring at oncoming headlights" look in his eyes.
<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD >>
I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject.
<< <i>Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject. >>
Ok Fair is fair then it was a good call. Subtract #1 from my list but Im sticking with #'s 2 and 3 McNabb needs to hit the treadmill and Big Andy needs to hand the offensive clipboard to someone else.
<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD >>
I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject. >>
Softparade - you sound like a Giants fan (LOL) - The refs did NOT get that right as far as overturning the call is concerned. I thought there had to be something, I think it's called incontrovertible evidence or something like that, to overturn a call. In no way, shape or form was that "incontrovertible evidence" enough to overturn that call in my opinion from the view I had on TV. And I read the points about the TV viewers seeing something different...well I thought the TV viewers had the exact same video as the ref reviewing the play. That overturned call was absolute BS.
I don't like blaming one call on losing a game, the Eagles didn't play that well anyway. However that overturned call was a bad call, and very likely actually did cost the Eagles the game - just my opinion, and of course it all means squat now because it's another Eagles loss.
<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin >>
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
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Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move.
As far as that call on the field his whole body did not cross the line, even with regards to the bogus red line which was off according to a few posters. The call was right.
As far as that call on the field his whole body did not cross the line, even with regards to the bogus red line which was off according to a few posters. The call was right. >>
Paul - point understood, but frankly I've seen a number of calls NOT overturned which seemed to me more, even much more, obvious that those calls should have been overturned, rather than this overturned call - just my opinion.
Bottom line - the calls, without a doubt even out over a season...I've seen it go the Eagles way as well - but this dam call just came at a horrible time in the game and in the season whereby the Eagles are gasping for a playoff hope.
wow, a team so far from the playoffs have never gotten such a long discussion. Maybe you all should start talking about what QB you are going to get in the first round.
<< <i>wow, a team so far from the playoffs have never gotten such a long discussion. Maybe you all should start talking about what QB you are going to get in the first round.
JS >>
This coming from a clown who's team is led by a 37 year old journeyman
<< <i>wow, a team so far from the playoffs have never gotten such a long discussion. Maybe you all should start talking about what QB you are going to get in the first round.
JS >>
This coming from a clown who's team is led by a 37 year old journeyman >>
Kerry Collins right a bell? oh wait, you don't play a team with a winning record this year...nevermind
Eli has turned into a top-tier QB over the last two years. Hard to believe that only a couple of years ago dopes like Axtell were panning him for making poor decisions at key points in the game, etc. The critics are all quiet now.
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<< <i>Eli has turned into a top-tier QB over the last two years. Hard to believe that only a couple of years ago dopes like Axtell were panning him for making poor decisions at key points in the game, etc. The critics are all quiet now. >>
< Eli has turned into a top-tier QB over the last two years. Hard to believe that only a couple of years ago dopes like Axtell were panning him for making poor decisions at key points in the game, etc. The critics are all quiet now. >>
TC aint bad himself
Agreed. He's another guy who was all but written off as out of touch with today's players, blah, blah, blah. Now he's a genius, LOL.
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<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin >>
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
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Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move. >>
Steve,
You can lambast me for being a Giant fan. No problem. BUT, you are seeing the play out of EAGLE eyes. So spare me any boring rehtoric about me being a Giant fan.
The bottom line is this ..... the call was made CORRECT by the rulebook. If you want to continue to whine on and moan about possibly losing a game becuase of it then have at it. This is NO DIFFERENT the you pointing at me being a Giant fan.
Mike Pereira the NFL's Vice President of Officiating stated today that this overturn was absolutley correct and that he did not need network "red lines" to see that Mannings FULL BODY was not over the line as stipulated in the NFL rulebook.
<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin >>
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
>>
Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move. >>
Steve,
You can lambast me for being a Giant fan. No problem. BUT, you are seeing the play out of EAGLE eyes. So spare me any boring rehtoric about me being a Giant fan.
The bottom line is this ..... the call was made CORRECT by the rulebook. If you want to continue to whine on and moan about possibly losing a game becuase of it then have at it. This is NO DIFFERENT the you pointing at me being a Giant fan.
Mike Pereira the NFL's Vice President of Officiating stated today that this overturn was absolutley correct and that he did not need network "red lines" to see that Mannings FULL BODY was not over the line as stipulated in the NFL rulebook.
Sorry Steve, obviously you are a "Eagle Fan" >>
The call was "too close" to be overturned and should NOT have been overturned - case closed...and unfortunately it's an Eagles loss. It's spilled milk so I'm not gonna worry about it - the Eagles had plenty of opportunities to win that game, and didn't play as well as they're capable of playing.
The Eagles could be the best 5 - 4 team in NFL history...however the bottom line is the Eagles are 5 - 4.
The visual evidence was indisputable. As you like to say "CASE CLOSED" This is where I think who are way off. Ball leaves arm, foot behind line. What else do you want? Anyway, it is what it is.
The visual evidence was indisputable. As you like to say "CASE CLOSED" This is where I think who are way off. Ball leaves arm, foot behind line. What else do you want? Anyway, it is what it is.
See you in a couple weeks >>
You'll have to take my word for it that I would believe the exact same thing with this play if the uniforms were reversed. This NFL rule about overturning calls was as you said it has to be indisputable, and in no way, shape or form was that evidence indisputable...so the call should not have been reversed. Firstly, you'd have to know the precise spot on the field where the down marker was, and then you'd have to have a precise camera angle to really get that call correct. I am NOT disputing the "possible" correctness of the overturned call - I am disputing that the call was too close, way too close to be overturned - that's all.
I predict in the next Eagles - Giants game there might be a similar "garbage overturned call" against the Giants.
<< <i> I predict in the next Eagles - Giants game there might be a similar "garbage overturned call" against the Giants. >>
Will it matter when the score is 41-10 >>
Giants are playing some really good football right now - doing whatever it takes to win and as a fan of theirs, you can't ask for more than that. Unfortunately for my Eagles, they're making way too many costly mistakes and not doing whatever it takes to win - an obvious big problem is McNabb and I've come to the inescapable conclusion that the Eagles will never win a Super Bowl with him at quarterback. It's time to make a change and Andy Reid needs to do that for next season by playing Kolb or if Kolb isn't good enough, then bring in a veteran quarterback who maybe doesn't have all the "skills" that McNabb has, but knows what it takes to win...and frankly, McNabb simply doesn't have any consistent skills any more.
Also about McNabb - maybe "everyone" sees this except for Andy Reid who perhaps doesn't wanna see it, but there are too many times on the football field whereby McNabb looks like he's just going through the motions, and really doesn't care to be out there.
Here's a "shocking" possible prediction for yas - Wouldn't overwhelmingly surprise me if McNabb announces his retirement in the off season, for a variety of reasons.
My most dearest and best friend on this earth is a die hard Eagle fan. He has been looking forward to the post McNabb days for some time now. I feel your pain. I am just happy my team has a good shot again ....
<< <i>My most dearest and best friend on this earth is a die hard Eagle fan. He has been looking forward to the post McNabb days for some time now. I feel your pain. I am just happy my team has a good shot again .... >>
Well you should know from my posts that I am not and never have been anti-Giants, and I don't know any Eagles fans who are. I think most Eagles and Giants fans have a mutual respect for each others teams and that includes the Redskins and their fans, and I was glad that the Giants beat the Patriots in last season's Super Bowl.
Now the stinkin' Dallas Cowboys.....that's another matter - LOL.
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<< <i>Over and out
Sincerely,
The 2008 Eagles >>
I wouldn't trade being an Eagles fan for being a fan of the stinkin' Bucs even if you threw in Maria Sharapova with the deal.
<< <i>A couple of things I saw that resulted in the Eagles losing that game...
#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
#3-Horrible coaching by Andy Reid trying to run it TWICE on 3rd and 1 and then 4th and 1 with your last chance.
I friggen hate the Giants so I was rooting for the Eagles but in my opinion I think the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl again.
Spot on with all 3 points.
I still can't believe that call with Manning got overturned - that could very well have been a game killer, but the Eagles still need to play better football. I could go into a long dissertation on proper play calling during a football game to enable your team to have the best chance to win...and Andy Reid for whatever reason STILL does not know how to do that...he really doesn't, and it's aggravating as yell because basically he is an excellent football coach but he needs play calling help during the games and he's not getting it or he is too much of a "control freak" to accept the help.
<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
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I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it.
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<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
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I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV.
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that.
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<< <i>#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that. >>
Didnt you watch McNabb in the Super Bowl against the Pats?
<< <i>I think stalin might have bribed the refs with $50 >>
No way! He would never pay up.
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<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
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I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
I am not convinced the 'redefined line" as they called it was moved, but was more turned into a 3D line. Looking at a 2D line on the ground you can not make a for sure comment on something when you are looking at it on angle and comparing it with something in the air. This is a basic rule of perspective. It is often used in television and in movies, such as the late Steve the Crocodile dude, who you might have noticed always filmed at an angle. As we are talking about inches, you simply can not trust your eyes with that type of view.
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<< <i>#2-McNabb needs to get in better shape for the 4th Quarter
I have seen many a game where the defensive linemen are standing there sucking wind in the fourth quarter but I believe that's the first time I've seen a quarterback do that. >>
Could have been something else - could have been maybe he got the wind knocked out of him, and if you've ever had that happen to you, you'll know that it's impossible to move around until that feeling dissipates. I think actually the "bigger problem" with McNabb in those situations is mental more than physical - he gets that "deer staring at oncoming headlights" look in his eyes.
Seems like the guy hypervinulates at crucial times at the end of games or something
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<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
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I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject.
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<< <i>Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject. >>
Ok Fair is fair then it was a good call. Subtract #1 from my list but Im sticking with #'s 2 and 3 McNabb needs to hit the treadmill and Big Andy needs to hand the offensive clipboard to someone else.
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<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
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<< <i>#1-CLEARLY Eli Manning was pass the line of scrimmage when he threw that pass to Boss which set up a big TD
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I didn't care who won the game so I didn't care whether the call got reversed or not, but Manning was not past the line of scrimmage. The rule is a "breaking the plane" rule and Manning's foot had not completely broken the plane of the line of scrimmage. It didn't help that NBC put their red line in the wrong place while they showed the initial replays, but the official who overturned the call wasn't watching NBC's red line, he was watching the line of scrimmage and Manning clearly had not completely crossed it. >>
If NBC put the red line in the wrong place then thats one thing but thats all I saw and from that view point it looked like he did. Im not that familiar with the rule but if its stated that the players entire body must cross it then fine however if any part of his body crosses it then it should have been a penalty- again from the red line that NBC put on the TV. >>
Paul, thats the rule. The QB's ENTIRE BODY must be PAST the line of scrimmage whether or not he is airborne or has feet on the ground. Not his arm, not the ball, the QB's ENTIRE BODY.
Thats the rule. They got it right.
Now, whether or not you think the rule is FAIR then that is a different subject. >>
Softparade - you sound like a Giants fan (LOL) - The refs did NOT get that right as far as overturning the call is concerned. I thought there had to be something, I think it's called incontrovertible evidence or something like that, to overturn a call. In no way, shape or form was that "incontrovertible evidence" enough to overturn that call in my opinion from the view I had on TV. And I read the points about the TV viewers seeing something different...well I thought the TV viewers had the exact same video as the ref reviewing the play. That overturned call was absolute BS.
I don't like blaming one call on losing a game, the Eagles didn't play that well anyway. However that overturned call was a bad call, and very likely actually did cost the Eagles the game - just my opinion, and of course it all means squat now because it's another Eagles loss.
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<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move.
As far as that call on the field his whole body did not cross the line, even with regards to the bogus red line which was off according to a few posters. The call was right.
<< <i>Great point Steve-seriously.
As far as that call on the field his whole body did not cross the line, even with regards to the bogus red line which was off according to a few posters. The call was right. >>
Paul - point understood, but frankly I've seen a number of calls NOT overturned which seemed to me more, even much more, obvious that those calls should have been overturned, rather than this overturned call - just my opinion.
Bottom line - the calls, without a doubt even out over a season...I've seen it go the Eagles way as well - but this dam call just came at a horrible time in the game and in the season whereby the Eagles are gasping for a playoff hope.
first round.
JS
<< <i>wow, a team so far from the playoffs have never gotten such a long discussion. Maybe you all should start talking about what QB you are going to get in the
first round.
JS >>
This coming from a clown who's team is led by a 37 year old journeyman
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<< <i>wow, a team so far from the playoffs have never gotten such a long discussion. Maybe you all should start talking about what QB you are going to get in the
first round.
JS >>
This coming from a clown who's team is led by a 37 year old journeyman
Kerry Collins right a bell? oh wait, you don't play a team with a winning record this year...nevermind
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<< <i>Eli has turned into a top-tier QB over the last two years. Hard to believe that only a couple of years ago dopes like Axtell were panning him for making poor decisions at key points in the game, etc. The critics are all quiet now. >>
TC aint bad himself
TC aint bad himself
Agreed. He's another guy who was all but written off as out of touch with today's players, blah, blah, blah. Now he's a genius, LOL.
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<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move. >>
Steve,
You can lambast me for being a Giant fan. No problem. BUT, you are seeing the play out of EAGLE eyes. So spare me any boring rehtoric about me being a Giant fan.
The bottom line is this ..... the call was made CORRECT by the rulebook. If you want to continue to whine on and moan about possibly losing a game becuase of it then have at it. This is NO DIFFERENT the you pointing at me being a Giant fan.
Mike Pereira the NFL's Vice President of Officiating stated today that this overturn was absolutley correct and that he did not need network "red lines" to see that Mannings FULL BODY was not over the line as stipulated in the NFL rulebook.
Sorry Steve, obviously you are a "Eagle Fan"
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<< <i>oh, by the way, a GREAT challenge by Coughlin
It wasnt that great since the rule says his WHOLE BODY must be across the line- it was a no-brainer.
Doesn't Softparade "see" what was going on there? Coughlin absolutely was NOT going to challenge that call. He only challenged it because Eli put up a stink about it. Smart move by Coughlin to stick up for his quarterback even though the "review" should have been hopeless. Same "reasoning" that baseball managers do when sticking up for a player, arguing a call with an ump, knowing the call won't be ruled differently, and them intending to get thrown out of the game. That's exactly why Coughlin did it - So it wasn't at all a smart move by Coughlin as far as the review, it was a "lucky" move for reasons I previous mentioned - and as also just mentioned...a dam smart move by Coughlin to build on a good relationship with his quarterback, who overturned call or not, will remember that Coughlin believed him and trusted him enough to call for a review, and Eli and most good football players, will "go to war" for someone like that who cares about him like that. Coughlin impressed me with that very smart coaching move. >>
Steve,
You can lambast me for being a Giant fan. No problem. BUT, you are seeing the play out of EAGLE eyes. So spare me any boring rehtoric about me being a Giant fan.
The bottom line is this ..... the call was made CORRECT by the rulebook. If you want to continue to whine on and moan about possibly losing a game becuase of it then have at it. This is NO DIFFERENT the you pointing at me being a Giant fan.
Mike Pereira the NFL's Vice President of Officiating stated today that this overturn was absolutley correct and that he did not need network "red lines" to see that Mannings FULL BODY was not over the line as stipulated in the NFL rulebook.
Sorry Steve, obviously you are a "Eagle Fan"
The call was "too close" to be overturned and should NOT have been overturned - case closed...and unfortunately it's an Eagles loss. It's spilled milk so I'm not gonna worry about it - the Eagles had plenty of opportunities to win that game, and didn't play as well as they're capable of playing.
The Eagles could be the best 5 - 4 team in NFL history...however the bottom line is the Eagles are 5 - 4.
The visual evidence was indisputable. As you like to say "CASE CLOSED" This is where I think who are way off. Ball leaves arm, foot behind line. What else do you want?
Anyway, it is what it is.
See you in a couple weeks
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<< <i>steve,
The visual evidence was indisputable. As you like to say "CASE CLOSED" This is where I think who are way off. Ball leaves arm, foot behind line. What else do you want?
Anyway, it is what it is.
See you in a couple weeks
You'll have to take my word for it that I would believe the exact same thing with this play if the uniforms were reversed. This NFL rule about overturning calls was as you said it has to be indisputable, and in no way, shape or form was that evidence indisputable...so the call should not have been reversed. Firstly, you'd have to know the precise spot on the field where the down marker was, and then you'd have to have a precise camera angle to really get that call correct. I am NOT disputing the "possible" correctness of the overturned call - I am disputing that the call was too close, way too close to be overturned - that's all.
I predict in the next Eagles - Giants game there might be a similar "garbage overturned call" against the Giants.
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I predict in the next Eagles - Giants game there might be a similar "garbage overturned call" against the Giants.
Will it matter when the score is 41-10
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I predict in the next Eagles - Giants game there might be a similar "garbage overturned call" against the Giants.
Will it matter when the score is 41-10
Giants are playing some really good football right now - doing whatever it takes to win and as a fan of theirs, you can't ask for more than that. Unfortunately for my Eagles, they're making way too many costly mistakes and not doing whatever it takes to win - an obvious big problem is McNabb and I've come to the inescapable conclusion that the Eagles will never win a Super Bowl with him at quarterback. It's time to make a change and Andy Reid needs to do that for next season by playing Kolb or if Kolb isn't good enough, then bring in a veteran quarterback who maybe doesn't have all the "skills" that McNabb has, but knows what it takes to win...and frankly, McNabb simply doesn't have any consistent skills any more.
Here's a "shocking" possible prediction for yas - Wouldn't overwhelmingly surprise me if McNabb announces his retirement in the off season, for a variety of reasons.
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<< <i>My most dearest and best friend on this earth is a die hard Eagle fan. He has been looking forward to the post McNabb days for some time now. I feel your pain. I am just happy my team has a good shot again .... >>
Well you should know from my posts that I am not and never have been anti-Giants, and I don't know any Eagles fans who are. I think most Eagles and Giants fans have a mutual respect for each others teams and that includes the Redskins and their fans, and I was glad that the Giants beat the Patriots in last season's Super Bowl.
Now the stinkin' Dallas Cowboys.....that's another matter - LOL.