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7 different ways to score from 3rd with no hit?

Joe Morgan stated during a game that a player can score from 3rd 7 different ways with 2 outs and the batter does not get a hit.

Can anyone name the 7 ways. He never stated how:

I can name some:

1) Wild pitch
2) Strike out where the runner reaches home on throw to first and player safe at 1st.
3) Passed ball
4) steal home
5) Balk

Now I am stuck on the last 2. Can anyone help?


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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walk.

    Edited to add: Catcher's interference.
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Walk.

    Edited to add: Catcher's interference. >>



    well the walk is if only bases loaded.

    catchers interference i am not sure of. that would just award the batter 1 st base, so again only if bases are loaded.

    what about a ball put in play but a fielding error...there is no hit awarded but runner could score.

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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>well the walk is if only bases loaded.............. >>



    I never in a million years thought I would have to add that part. image
  • Joe Morgan was refering to nobody on base other than the runner at 3rd. Sorry for not clarifying that.

    How about a fielders choice?
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  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725
    I guess a fielder's choice would work if it occured in a run down situation that allowed the 3rd base runner ample time to score before the runner was tagged out.
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    Once I get to first base, I score everytime.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    Botched pickoff attempt.

    In order for there to be a fielder's choice, they would have to get an out. That would be the third out and I don't believe the run would count even if he crossed the plate before the out. I believe that rule only applies on a double play, but I could very well be wrong.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Catchers balk.


    Steve


    catcher's balk A rarely called violation of catcher's interference charged as a balk when a catcher leaves the catcher's box before the pitch is delivered, especially on an Intentional Base On Balls (IBB). The balk penalty would award the batter first base and any runners would advance.
    [Official Baseball Rules, 2004 Edition, published by Triumph Books], Rule 4.03(a)
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭

    In order for there to be a fielder's choice, they would have to get an out.


    Craig it is possible for a player to hit into a FC and be called safe.


    As long as the fielder has a choice is all that matters, not if he gets the out or not.

    Ground ball to 3rd, runner on first, 3rd baseman throws on to second but runner beats throw and is called safe,
    batter runner also safe at first due to no throw or beats throw.

    Batter runner is awarded a FC. not a single


    Steve
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  • "Once I get to first base, I score everytime. "

    Giggity!

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  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    Isn't a "catcher's balk" considered just another balk?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    see below

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • so the other 2 are

    1) Failed Pickoff attempt

    2) Fielders Choice

    also, what about an error, the runner scores yet no hit is recorded.

    That would make 8 different ways a runner scores from 3rd with no hit by the batter and 2 outs whereas the runner on 3rd is the only base runner.


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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    see below

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    see below


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mark

    On second thought you may be correct. Even if the catcher balks the 'balk' is given to the pitcher.


    So I dunno.


    Steve
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  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725
    I think the real problem is that we're talking about the validity of something Joe Morgan said. Frankly, I don't trust anything he's ever said.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Without virtue of a base hit:


    Walk, passed ball, wild pitch, balk, FC, pick off attempt, error. = 7 ways

    I think, but am not certain but a dropped thrid strike is either a passed ball or a wild pitch depending on what the scorer says.


    Steve
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A roughing the kicker or pass interference penalty
  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    What about stealing home? I agree that the missed 3rd strike is scored as either a wild pitch or a passed ball. Maybe the pickoff attempt falls either under error or SB, depending upon the circumstances.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yup, agree with that, I forgot the steal of home.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • I said that in the op
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    Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wild pitch
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm just surprised Skin or Dallas haven't posted yet to clear up all this confusion..image


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