Is Chucky a one year wonder?

perkdog

Ofcourse! His only Super Bowl win was years ago against a Raiders team that had an elderly man at QB

stevek

<< <i>Ofcourse! His only Super Bowl win was years ago against a Raiders team that had an elderly man at QB >>



Jon Gruden flat out is on the list as one of the worst head coaches of all time. Yes, he's a decent, perhaps even good, offensive coordinator type...but as a head coach he is a failure - winning a Super Bowl only because he inherited Tony Dungy's team.

lawnmowerman

I do believe he is Paul. There are alot of unhappy fans down here in the Tampa Bay area. I run into them all the time while at work. Also alot of second guessing going on by all the sports talk radio heads here as well.

Buc fan can defend him all day long but until he wins a ring with a team HE put together, he will always be the one hit wonder that did it with Tony's team.

I said this all before but he did win a ring with the Bucs by taking what was already in place and adding some flare to that offense. The D which was already there won that SB for them that year by beating a Raiders team that HE put together. Now, what does that say??

perkdog

Excellent points fellas and true ones at that.

joestalin

yeah winning a super bowl and NFC South championships is overrated. It took Dungy how many years to win with all that fire power in Indy? What is their
record now? What is TB's record? Why are Eagle and Cowgirl fan talking about rings? No pair of lard *sses more on the hot seat than Wade and Andy.

Class Dismissed

JS

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Why are Eagle and Cowgirl fan talking about rings? >>




LOL...you really wanna go there?

Connecticoin

<< <i>Jon Gruden flat out is on the list as one of the worst head coaches of all time. Yes, he's a decent, perhaps even good, offensive coordinator type...but as a head coach he is a failure - winning a Super Bowl only because he inherited Tony Dungy's team. >>



I would dismiss this comment, but I cannot because even Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl!

lawnmowerman

Gruden is barely a 500 coach with the Bucs.

He is 54-51 with the best record, 12-4 being 2002, the year he took over Tony's team

stevek

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<< <i>Jon Gruden flat out is on the list as one of the worst head coaches of all time. Yes, he's a decent, perhaps even good, offensive coordinator type...but as a head coach he is a failure - winning a Super Bowl only because he inherited Tony Dungy's team. >>



I would dismiss this comment, but I cannot because even Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl! >>



Switzer is definitely on that "worst" list. The absolute worst pro head coach I've ever seen and it's not really close was Steve Spurrier...he just had no clue how to operate in a professional football league.

lawnmowerman

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<< <i>Jon Gruden flat out is on the list as one of the worst head coaches of all time. Yes, he's a decent, perhaps even good, offensive coordinator type...but as a head coach he is a failure - winning a Super Bowl only because he inherited Tony Dungy's team. >>



I would dismiss this comment, but I cannot because even Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl! >>



Switzer is definitely on that "worst" list. The absolute worst pro head coach I've ever seen and it's not really close was Steve Spurrier...he just had no clue how to operate in a professional football league. >>



I hate Switzer almost as much as Jerry.

Here is a Gruden tidbit I didn't know....lol

Jon was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol. Jon's arrest came in Pleasanton, California on October 11, 1998, when he was detailed with a 0.10 blood alcohol level while he was head coach of the Raiders. He ultimately plead no contest to a lesser charge of alcohol-related reckless driving, paid a $750 file and served no jail time.

Not only is he a bad coach, he is also a criminal

Goot

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Not only is he a bad coach, he is also a criminal >>



I'm not sure a DUI classifies you as a "criminal".

If "Tony's team" was so good and Gruden had NO impact on it, how did Dungy only go 9-7 and get blown out of the 1st round of the playoffs with a similar cast of players the year before?

I love Dungy and I do agree that Gruden's obviously not the greatest coach in the world, but to give him NO credit at all for winning a Super Bowl is pretty stupid. He had proven he could win in Oakland, even with that "elderly man" at QB, and has had solid success since the Super Bowl, despite a few down years.

Oakland in the years leading up to Gruden: 7-9 (1996); 4-12 (1997)
Oakland With Gruden: 8-8 (1998); 8-8 ('99); 12-4 ('00); 10-6 ('01)
Without Gruden: 11-5 ('02) inherited Gruden's team?.....they haven't won more than 5 games in one season since '02.


I guess this is another "let's all try and get JS to freak out" thread.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>I'm not sure a DUI classifies you as a "criminal". >>




Yup, sure does. Unless of course you live in Wisconsin


(taken from Wiki)
Is a DUI a criminal offense or not?

DUI is a Criminal Offense. In some states, such as Wisconsin, a DUI is NOT a criminal offense. However, almost every other State does treat DUI or DWI as a criminal offense, punishable by jail and fines.




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Oakland in the years leading up to Gruden: 7-9 (1996); 4-12 (1997)
Oakland With Gruden: 8-8 (1998); 8-8 ('99); 12-4 ('00); 10-6 ('01)
Without Gruden: 11-5 ('02) inherited Gruden's team?.....they haven't won more than 5 games in one season since '02. >>




Since we're talking numbers how about only 2 winning seasons since the SB year with a 36-44 record in that span.(Not counting this year)

Goot

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Since we're talking numbers how about only 2 winning seasons since the SB year with a 36-44 record in that span.(Not counting this year) >>




I'm aware and like I said earlier, I don't think he's the greatest coach ever. However, I do believe that he's an above average coach in the NFL. However, I think that there's a reason that he was able to push the Bucs over the hump in '02 while Tony couldn't in previous years.


Here's the bottom line for me: The Tampa Bay Bucs won the Super Bowl in 2002 and I could care less who the coach was. As long as that coach goes into just about every season positioning his team for a shot to atleast make the playoffs, like Gruden has done the past few years, I'm happy with his performance. Other than the two years directly following the Super Bowl the team has played quite well. Yes, I realize that we went 4-12 in '06, but that was with Gradkowski at QB, after Simms' injury, so I think that record is a few wins lower than what it could have been with a better QB. If he slips up down the road and posts another 5-11 season, it's time to go. A Super Bowl win in '02 doesn't count like it did in '03 and '04.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>I think that there's a reason that he was able to push the Bucs over the hump in '02 while Tony couldn't in previous years >>




Yup, I agree. That's why I said Gruden took what was already in place, added some life to that offense. That was all the D needed to get it done that year.

detroitfan2

You guys might want to spend a season or ten in Detroit. You might then have different standards for what constitutes a good coach. I'm just sayin'.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>You guys might want to spend a season or ten in Detroit. You might then have different standards for what constitutes a good coach. I'm just sayin'. >>




I agree Tom.

Gruden is surely not the worst coach but imo there are alot better.

stevek

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<< <i>You guys might want to spend a season or ten in Detroit. You might then have different standards for what constitutes a good coach. I'm just sayin'. >>




I agree Tom.

Gruden is surely not the worst coach but imo there are alot better. >>



If not one of the worst "head coaches" then definitely one of the most overrated. Remember, he spent 3 seasons as an Eagles offensive coordinator so Eagles fans saw this guy close up - Again decent at that but the players had basically no respect for him and to me that makes for a bad head coach. Gruden admittedly is a decent-good offensive coordinator coach and not a bad play caller during the games...he does make some good offensive calls and sometimes outsmarts the other coaches...again...he's much better suited to be an offensive coordinator than a head coach.

lawnmowerman

Overrated is a very good term for him Steve.

gumbyfan

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<< <i>I'm not sure a DUI classifies you as a "criminal". >>



Yup, sure does. Unless of course you live in Wisconsin >>



A couple politicians here want to set up sobriety checkpoints and even the police/sheriffs are complaining about it. It really is a third world country up here in Wes-consin.

markj111

Who is Chucky?

detroitfan2

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<< <i>I'm not sure a DUI classifies you as a "criminal". >>



Yup, sure does. Unless of course you live in Wisconsin >>



A couple politicians here want to set up sobriety checkpoints and even the police/sheriffs are complaining about it. It really is a third world country up here in Wes-consin. >>



Whattya expect when you border the Upper Peninsula?

SanctionII

The thing I like about Gruden is that his Bucs team [inherited from Dungy] trashed the Raiders [the team he coached the year before] in the Super Bowl, adding to Al Davis's misery.

That alone makes me a Gruden fan

joestalin

To think, if the Cowgirls had Chucky they would of had a ring or at least a playoff win, instead they hired dunces and bad QB's!

I bet Bledsoe is laughing all the way to the bank!

JS

lawnmowerman

<< <i>To think, if the Cowgirls had Chucky they would of had a ring or at least a playoff win, instead they hired dunces and bad QB's!

I bet Bledsoe is laughing all the way to the bank!

JS >>




Don't think so man.

The problem with the Cowboys is the idiot owner that butts into things he should not. He ruined everything back in 1994 with Johnson's firing.

The organization has never recovered. Yeah, they won the SB in 96 with Switzer but just like with Gruden he won it with another coaches footprint and work all over everything.

detroitfan2

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<< <i>To think, if the Cowgirls had Chucky they would of had a ring or at least a playoff win, instead they hired dunces and bad QB's!

I bet Bledsoe is laughing all the way to the bank!

JS >>



Don't think so man.

The problem with the Cowboys is the idiot owner that butts into things he should not. He ruined everything back in 1994 with Johnson's firing.

The organization has never recovered. Yeah, they won the SB in 96 with Switzer but just like with Gruden he won it with another coaches footprint and work all over everything. >>



Yeah, and not only that, the Lions punked the Cowboys back in '91 (back when the Lions had a real coach):

joestalin

Gruden has 3 divison titles and one super bowl in 6 years and is 6-3 in his 7th year. He has never possesed a true star on offense. How many other
teams in the league can you say that about? How many coaches would die for 3 divison titles and a super bowl run that was nothing less than
perfect? I can only think of one other coach still in the league that has done more, and Gruden did it without cheating.

I think you are all jealous!

JS

lawnmowerman

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<< <i>To think, if the Cowgirls had Chucky they would of had a ring or at least a playoff win, instead they hired dunces and bad QB's!

I bet Bledsoe is laughing all the way to the bank!

JS >>



Don't think so man.

The problem with the Cowboys is the idiot owner that butts into things he should not. He ruined everything back in 1994 with Johnson's firing.

The organization has never recovered. Yeah, they won the SB in 96 with Switzer but just like with Gruden he won it with another coaches footprint and work all over everything. >>



Yeah, and not only that, the Lions punked the Cowboys back in '91 (back when the Lions had a real coach):

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Yes they did Tom. that sucked

lawnmowerman

<< <i> He has never possesed a true star on offense. >>




You would think since he has been there for 7 years, he would have drafted or picked up a "true star' on offense.

So what does this say about the coach? He is in charge of personel isn't he?

lawnmowerman

<< <i>He has never possesed a true star on offense. >>




You would think since he has been there for 7 years, he would have drafted or picked up a "true star' on offense by now.

So what does this say about the coach? He is in charge of personel isn't he?

joestalin

We picked up Kevin Carter and Jeff Garcia, those are the positions we were weak at. Was there another FA QB out there 2 years ago that was better? We aren't
going to throw a lot of money at a TO type player and then get a few decent games and a lot of whinning! The bucs are a team, especially on defense. We
prefer team players. Besides Moss and Welker, I can't think of the last super bowl team who won becuase they picked up big names.

Actually when I think of recent super bowl winner, I think of good defense first. Titans and Steelers in the AFC. Giants, Bucs and Panther in the NFC. Do any of those
teams have stars? eli I guess. Steve Smith I guess. Titans winning with Kerry Collins and I a rookie RB and I couldn't name a WR on the team.

TC is a great coach, Fisher is a great coach and so is Chucky.

Romo, Whitten, TO, Barber....I would be expecting more this season from those guys! Bucs would be 8-0 if we had just one of those guys. I have watched the
bucs for 28 years now, we have NEVER had a lights out WR. Teams win championships, not stars.

Kevin

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Romo, Whitten, TO, Barber....I would be expecting more this season from those guys >>




Me too!

stevek

<<< Teams win championships, not stars. >>>

don't tell that to the Mets management - LOL