1833 Capped Bust Half -- Unknown Attribution

Danegeld

Won this last evening on ebay and to be quite honest it matches no known attributions. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Take Care
Ben

Barndog

not a fake from China?

Danegeld

<< <i>not a fake from China? >>



On CoinZip, the responding members of the BHNC (myself included) all think differently and have varying opinions about her, LOL... If it's a counterfeit it's SOMETHING that's for sure. Weight will be one telling aspect and can't check that until it arrives.

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Ben

TennesseeDave

I hope i'm wrong,but I dont think it is genuine.Let us know if you hit the jackpot.

maibockaddict

The dentilation looks rather wrong to me.

Danegeld

The feedback I'm receiving is that it's a counterfeit and a (NEW - unknown) one at that. Definitely something to be on the lookout for...

Ben

maibockaddict

Looks like an 1820's bust with an 1833 date.

Danegeld

You're right. The quality is amazing though when compared to the known counterfeits.

maibockaddict

What a real 1833 Bust/Eagle should look like:





Note how the Bust and eagle/Shield look on the fake and on this coin. Learn!

commoncents123

Yea, something's "off" about that coin. I can't quite place my finger on it though.

Danegeld

A serious worry to consider -- wonder what it would grade (TPG) wise. From what I've gathered (off list) she has a great possibility to weigh at or about the proper weight of 13.48 grams. For where there is one of these there is bound to be more...

maibockaddict

Because of the design differences I think that any TPG should see that there is something that is not right.

Danegeld

<< <i>Because of the design differences I think that any TPG should see that there is something that is not right. >>



I would hope so, but we've both seen and heard of ridiculously misattributed Bust Half Dollars by big name TPGs before...

Ben

lathmach

The Chinese counterfeiters are going to severely damage our hobby.

Ray

Boom

GOING TO!? They already HAVE!

jdillane

Hopefully, in hand you will be able to determine authenticity aside from fact that she does not fit a known variety. Imagine if it did look like a known variety!!

mozin

Now you need to decide whether or not to return this modern Chinese counterfeit, or submit it to NGC for grading --- without variety verification.

OKbustchaser

<< <i>GOING TO!? They already HAVE! >>



In what way? Do collectors no longer collect coins? Chinese fakes may lower the price you can get for your coins. While that may be a bad thing for the MARKET it is a good thing for the HOBBY.

OKbustchaser

<< <i>Now you need to decide whether or not to return this modern Chinese counterfeit, or submit it to NGC for grading --- without variety verification. >>



Or PCGS, or ANACS, or IGC, etc. All of them have made mistakes in the past; all of them will make more in the future.

JRocco

Looks like they got the EPU wrong on the reverse as well as
that man-face thing going on.

Stella

I believe that it is a counterfeit. My first idea when I looked at the picture without reading the comments was that it was not genuine.

SUMORADA

The mouth looks wrong to me.......................looks p&%^$#d off.

dorkkarl

modern fake

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