Poll: CUD, just a Die Crack, or Die Chip? 20c Piece

STONE

Ok gang, I want to know whether you feel that the object at the 8 o'clock dentil is a "Dentil CUD", a "Die Crack", or Die Chip?
If you don't know what a CUD is, it is an area of a coin originally formed by a die crack where part of the original die has become pushed up or out leaving a void on the planchet.

If you can, please give me a reason why you chose the answer that you did.

I have my own opinion on what it is, but I don't want to skew the results, so I will leave my opinion out for now.


Edited to add: Disclaimed this is not an image of my coin, but I do have one like this.....And the date of the coin is 1875-S

Dog97

It's a cud cuz a small piece is missing from the die.

GrumpyEd

I'd call it a die chip (because it's not severe) but it could also be called a small cud since a small area of the edge of the die is missing.

FredWeinberg

Not a cud, imo.

Both denticles appear to still be there - it's a
die crack/die chip, but not a genuine cud.

Another few hundred coins more or less, and
it might've turned into a 'retained cud'..........

STONE

<< <i>Not a cud, imo.

Both denticles appear to still be there - it's a
die crack/die chip, but not a genuine cud.

Another few hundred coins more or less, and
it might've turned into a 'retained cud'.......... >>


Thanks Fred and Ed

I've updated the poll to reflect those two conclusions; of which I can agree with.

Shamika

Looks like a chip to me.

Dog97

I changed my mind! It's a die chip and has Another few hundred coins more or less, before
it might turn into a cud'..........

astrorat

It's a die crack. It is the mid stage of this die state. After a few hundred more coins, the die crack is more prominent through UNITED and to the eagle's right wing. It is a neat progression set when you can put one together. They are not that difficult to find.

To the best of my memory, there are no cuds known for this series (then again, I vaguely recall something in one of the cud books...but I am not near my library at this time and I could be wrong). There are some pieces (1875-S) that show some rim cuds, but nothing in the denticles. No retained cuds have been reported to date for this series.

Lane

astrorat

<< <i>If you don't know what a CUD is, it is an area of a coin originally formed by a die crack where part of the original die has become pushed up or out leaving a void on the planchet. >>



To be a bit more accurate, a cud, which is correctly called a major die break, is where a portion of the die has broken off (not pushed up) and the void is filled during striking. It generally includes the rim, but if not, it is considered an "internal cud" or internal major die break.

The "cud" nickname was coined because the resulting "blob" on the coin resembles a cow's cud.

Lane

robkool

Late state die chip...

Batman23

What about a die being deformed by something like a piece of steel wire, similar to a coin having a struck through depression, and causing this "mark" in the die? It just does not look like cud, chip or crack to me.

Shamika

<< <i>What about a die being deformed by something like a piece of steel wire, similar to a coin having a struck through depression, and causing this "mark" in the die? >>

When properly heat treated die steel is excessively harder than any piece of steel wire or other material that might find it's way between the dies.

claychaser

That is a coin with "personality", and pretty neat!

DoUPlayOnePocket

I vote "None of the above". It just looks like circulated damage to me. If anything, it would more likely be a filled die chip where one of the "flutes" raised above the field surface of the die to form the denticles has broken away. A "rim cud" occurs when a die break or crack extends from the rim inward, meanders along the rim and then returns to another part of the rim. That part of the die which has broken away is then filled by the planchet material flowing into the void. The shape of the cud, itself, could be oblong, arc-like or even concave (like a hot dog when it is cooked). JMHO

Chris

jazzcoins

That is a die chip
Jazzcoin s Joe

seateddime

die crack

gonzer

Pre-cud die break w/chip. No big thing. Nice coin though.

Quarternut

Due to the lower grade of the coin it hard to say exactly what it is at this point. The wear on top of the crack only makes it resemble a cud or the metal pressed up into the depression left when a section of the die has broken and fallen out.

My feeling is that it is at best a retained cud and at worst a severe die crack. It is not a die chip of any sort...

Hey Jazzcoins, to the forums, but give me back my avatar!!

QN

JrGMan2004

Always difficult to be certain on a circulated coin... I'm inclined towards chip, but could be a cud...