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"Your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
I was reading the latest issue of the Asylum, and Dennis Tucker wrote a really fine article about how to succeed in numismatic publishing. The article was so good, in fact, that I will ask him to sign a copy for me the next time I see him.

In the article, Tucker makes the following statement, in relation to having your manuscript peer reviewed prior to publication: "your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after."

For the authors in the house:

(1) I assume that any book that is published by a big publisher will be peer reviewed. Does the author have any say in who reviews the manuscript?

(2) What assurances does peer reviewing provide if the book is a ground-breaking work, and the contents might challenge a lot of numismatic myths?

(3) Should the peer reviewers not be active dealers, in order to avoid conflicts of interest if the book provides an unflattering view of a series, or highlights that certain coins are not as excessively rare as we thought?

(4) If self publishing, do authors get any sort of "free pass" if their books are not thoroughly peer reviewed?

(5) Is peer review in place to protect the author, or the publisher (or both), because a bad book can be very damaging?
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    "Your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after"-- do you agree?

    Absolutely!
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  • "Your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after"-- do you agree?
    shoo nuf
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The author will informally circulate the manuscript within their personal Circle of Trust™. This can be done during any phase of the research. In some case you might ask a recognized specialist to review just the part of the manuscript within their area of expertise.

    Even if the work is in a new area, reviewers offer a good "sniff test" to tell if the author is consulting good resources and taking care to cover all the bases. In other words, they can confirm if your methodology is good or not, even if they can't speak for the results.

    Regarding dealers, collectors can also cause trouble. As was recounted recently in Coin World, authors Newman & Bressett were threatened with lawsuits before they published their work on 1804 dollars, presumably with the idea that certain collectors thought publication of the work would damage the value of their coins (in reality the opposite was probably true).

    There is no "free pass" for self publishers. Either the research is respected or it isn't, regardless of who published it.

    Peer review isn't necessarily for protection, it is really to try and put out the best product that you can. Two sets of eyes are usually better than one.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Very wise statement. When I started on my book, I wasn't aware of anybody that had the specialized knowledge required for coin photography, so I just wrote it to the best of my ability. I think that I did OK, although there is one small error in my book that will need to be fixed for future versions (outlined in my blog).

    I have since found a couple people that will hopefully let me use their knowledge for peer review purposes for future projects/editions.

    My present project of supercloseup photography is so optics intensive that I have had to find people outside of coins to help me get things straight. Very complicated stuff.
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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very true....and if after publication they are criticized you need to be able to defend the facts and conclusions against all reasonable arguments to the contrary.

    K
    ANA LM
  • Two quick comments -

    1) Some research that is first presented can't be reviewed by anyone else, as the information is completely new. I'm doing this right now with the "Franklin Hoard" materials. I fully expect to have to defend my research and can do so with what facts are available.

    The writing can be reviewed by another set of eyes and secondary comments can be quite useful in determining how it reads, are clarifications needed, etc.

    2) Even when you present little known facts, that aren't routinely copied in subsequent numismatic literature, you still receive criticism that is based on the narrow minded focus of others.

    A small example was when I was criticised for mentioning in my Henry Voigt book that Jean-Pierre Blanchard's first American balloon ascention, which President Washington witnessed in January of 1793, was filled with hydrogen and not hot air. This particular unlearned individual approached me and stated "it would blow up like the Hindenburg". Needless to say, they didn't use propane gas burners in the 18th century.

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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    “…your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after."

    Dennis’s comment makes good sense. Whether you are writing a short article for you club newsletter or a magnificent tome of infinite pages, the author should strive for accuracy. Although there are many sources of numismatic information, it is always best to ask a knowledgeable person to read your material and offer suggestions.

    When writing for publication, the author might employ a copy editor (for consistency, basic grammar, punctuation, etc.) and/or a content editor (for structure, style, word choice, etc.). In addition to these technical editors, the author should try to have the work peer reviewed. In some instances, such as work that is largely new to the hobby, that might not be possible. But most of the time, there will be several people who can point out mistakes, misconceptions and flaws in logic. If the material is presented in an orderly manner and arguments logically built, then it is more likely that others will understand what the author is saying and agree.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nah, I disagree with those above my post. Criticism can very well be constructive as well as destructive.
    Even with all the research on the subject there is bound to be something that you didn't find or overlooked,
    even by accident, that can be brought up to the author in a friendly, non challenging, constructive way.
    Therefore, criticism can lead to the next edition which may be much better than the first edition?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm
    bob
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  • Make sure what you write is as correct as possible BEFORE you publish it.

    Learned that the hard way.
  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    (1) I assume that any book that is published by a big publisher will be peer reviewed.


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  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    Peer review in publishing manuscripts in scholarly journals is routine and is used for decision making by editors on inclusion in the journal. Reviewers are selected for their reputation of being knowledgeable in an area and retained if they demonstrate objectivity and fairness. Multiple reviewers are routine. Revisions and rebuttals are usually required based on critiques. Editorial decisions are based of the reviews and estimate of priority. Some journals encourage :"letters to the editor" that provide an unsolicited opinion of a previously published article and this may be responded to by the initial authors.There are also journals that serve a principal function of reviewing manuscripts published in other journals; they provide a critique of the primary article and provide context.
    There are journals that are subsidized by vested interests and may have very light reviews; they are not well regarded but may be widely distributed for marketing purposes. Publishers of journals and books have a redactors that read papers for format, syntax and spelling.
    Books are dealt with variably; they are often not peer reviewed for accuracy of content but are read by editors for decision making. I have no experience on the review process for popular books (fiction or non-fiction) but I suspect that this is to a great extent not "outside peer -reviewed" but based on editorial decisions. Peer review of books on scholarly or popular topics may occur for marketing purposes after decision on publishing.
    Trime
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    So what you are saying is that you should take any written word as fact because smoeone must have analysed it before publication?

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are many numismatic theories that cannot be proven conclusively, and I respect authors who propose new theories or give strong opinions without approval of the numismatic establishment.

    I have not yet published any books, but have written a number of original articles, all were requested by the editor and published rather quickly to meet a deadline. Yes, all could have benefitted from better copy editing! I would not have changed any of the basic concepts from peer review. I am currently working on an article that combines new archival information and engineering processes, I will use better copy editing, but will publish the findings without peer approval.

    edit - I did consult John Dannreuther and others on one article, which did improve it and added credibility.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    With some things, facts is facts (as long as you get them right). The implication of those facts are not always obvious and a second person may shed some important insight and suggest where you could expand, improve the work.
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  • As I was re-reading the new posts on this thread, it struck me as rather funny that this particular field of endeavor doesn't operate that much on "facts".

    Sure, we copy figures from the Mint Director reports, we try to analyze how something was done, and by whom, but...in reality...

    Most of the acquired knowledge regarding American numismatics has come from interpretations by writers that came along after the "fact".

    The first 50 years of coinage production at the Philadelphia Mint is a prime example, as there was little interest in collecting the coins, let alone getting the "facts".

    Instead, we must look for clues that create the evidence for what really happened.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Your facts and conclusions should be analyzed before publication, rather than criticized after"-- do you agree?

    I'm not so sure about that. After all, we all "publish" our thoughts on this forum before getting feedback. The feedback comes later. That works well, and the facts come fast enough.

    That leads me to the obvious conclusion that the same feedback process should work well for "real publications", if only they were done electronically instead of on paper.
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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i> (1) I assume that any book that is published by a big publisher will be peer reviewed. Does the author have any say in who reviews the manuscript? >>



    In the academic world, authors are often asked for recommendations for reviewers, but the publisher does not have to abide by them.

    However, as a practical matter, publishers often contact these people to be reviewers anyway as it is a path of least resistance.
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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>(5) Is peer review in place to protect the author, or the publisher (or both), because a bad book can be very damaging? >>



    Peer review is primarily intended to protect the publisher, but it also protects the author and the community-at-large.
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  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    "Peer review is primarily intended to protect the publisher, but it also protects the author and the community-at-large."

    I have a somewhat different view; peer review serves multiple functions.
    In critical journals it provides a functional way to judge the quality of the contribution and thus assist the editor in priority of acceptance, identify errors of commission and omission, make suggestions to the author and editor for needed additional information, and to edit for syntax and spelling. In the scholarly world , peer review almost always improves a manuscript.
    Protection of the publisher for plagerizism is an important function but is not the principal role of peer review.
    Trime
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Here, here!

    Numismatic authors should welcome the opportunity to have their article and book drafts read by others knowledgeable in the field. A great deal of misinformation could be avoided if hobby publications and websites did this. Further, if auction companies took the time to have their descriptions of major items independently reviewed, I suspect a large quantity of numismatic coprolite could be eliminated. (Puns intended.)

    [Yes, there will be exceptions, particularly new observational documentary discoveries, where it is incumbent on the discoverer to provide ample support in the absence of prior knowledge.]


  • << <i>Here, here!

    Numismatic authors should welcome the opportunity to have their article and book drafts read by others knowledgeable in the field. A great deal of misinformation could be avoided if hobby publications and websites did this. Further, if auction companies took the time to have their descriptions of major items independently reviewed, I suspect a large quantity of numismatic coprolite could be eliminated. (Puns intended.)

    [Yes, there will be exceptions, particularly new observational documentary discoveries, where it is incumbent on the discoverer to provide ample support in the absence of prior knowledge.] >>




    Peer-review (ideally, at least 2 anonymous reviewers) of manuscripts (book or journal) should be the norm. However, one cannot really expect drafts of entries for 'major items' in auction catalogs to be independently reviewed, because this would necessitate that the reviewers have access to the coins as well. This would also increase the auction house's costs, which would be passed on to customers (likely higher buyer's premiums).
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Many auction catalog description mistakes are so fundamental as to require only a photo and a little research in a new book or article. Quite a few major auction lot descriptions are nothing more than, “Last sold in the Winkleberry Auction of March 1992 where it was described as, ‘copy, copy, copy, copy, co….’” Many collectors treat these inane descriptions as if they were original research instead of marketing and sales promotion pieces.

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