1853-O Arrows 25c with filled mintmark?? (Breen #3993)

savoyspecial

i was entering FilthyBroke's generous giveaway earlier tonight when i noticed a coin pictured in someone post that looked odd.....i emailed the poster and questioned via PM but havent heard back yet

Link to what I'm talking about

scroll down to the 13th post or so (PQMorgans).....what is going on with that mintmark?!?

PQMorgans

Here is what I have , how I came about it and my pm to savoyspecial. Can Anyone help out with more info?

Hi, I was looking for a 1853 pocket piece and came across this on Ebay as a 1853. I wondered about the O also. I saw somewhere that it is a filled O variety. I can't find my Briggs book. I am not sure were it is listed, but it is a filled O variety . PCGS would not attribute it such, they are limited as to what they attribute. I think I will post it and see if any members can help out. Wayne


Update, just found that it is listed in Breens on page 350 as a #3393 solid O, ex rare a chip of the die left mintmark completely filled on coins.

compare ill in Gobrecht Journal 27 (7/83)


Hope this helps, I will post it and see if anyone else can give more info

Thanks for the question, It got me off my .... If I had doe this before it would be attributed.



larger pic links

Small: http://www.pcgs.com/TrueView/12523691.jpg
Medium: http://www.pcgs.com/TrueView/Medium/12523691.jpg
Large: http://www.pcgs.com/TrueView/Large/12523691.jpg

I wonder how rare it really is? Thanks Again Wayne

illini420

that's cool!

rec78

A cool variety listed by Briggs as rev. E .

PQMorgans

No PCGS POP or NGC POP but ANACS list it as POP 2 sorry the numbers keep bunching up when posted.

Date Type Variety Mint Denom Designation Total 1-3 4-6 8-10 12-15 20-35 40-45 50 53 55 58 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70
1853 SEATED - ARROWS&RAYS O 25C MS 202 2 1 4 15 45 53 7 1 6 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1853 SEATED - ARROWS&RAYS BREEN-3992 O 25C MS 3 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1853 SEATED - ARROWS&RAYS BREEN-3993 O 25C MS 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1853 SEATED - ARROWS&RAYS BRIGGS-1A O 25C MS 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



1853 SEATED - ARROWS&RAYS BREEN-3993 O 25C MS Total 2........ 1 is a (grade 8-10) 1 is a (grade 12-15)

savoyspecial

bump for the morning crowd with Breen # added to title

PQMorgans

Bump

lathmach

This is the rarest 1853-O Quarter variety. This variety is worth a premium to a Seated Quarter variety collector. (Me)
The filled mintmark is the late die state of this variety.
In the early die state, there is what appears to be a smaller mintmark within it, or recutting. Expert opinion varies.
I believe it may be a Large O over small o.
I think I have a picture posted of an early die state in the Quarters on Gerry Fortins Seated Dime website.
If not I should have a picture saved on the computer.
I can't search right now, as I have some running to do.
I'll check back this afternoon.

Ray

lathmach

Heres a picture of this variety in an early die state.
Edited: click on full size and you can see the mintmark details better.

Ray

roadrunner

While a better variety, and probably extremely rare in AU-UNC, these are out there to be cherry-picked. I recall having one of these back in the 1980's and not thinking anything too special about it at the time. But times change. I don't believe the major pop reports track this variety.

roadrunner

partagas

Ultra cool variety as Ray mentioned. Thanks for sharing that beauty!