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Do you think this coin is cleaned?

PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
As in bodybag for cleaning?

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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    most likley
    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

    Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Thanks, guess I would be better off leaving it as is. Was considering cracking and sending to pcgs.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    You know... I have had some proof seated halfs that were heavily hairlined in PCGS slabs- try crossing in the holder if you want a PCGS slab.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not just send it to PCGS in it's current holder. The grade assigned looks right. If it will not cross, PCGS won't crack it out. They'll return it. No need in you chancing it. It looks fine where it is, too.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Yes I will try that. Kind of wanted to save the return shipping by sending it with a couple raws.
    But I think it is too risky. The reverse is fine but a lot of small marks in the obv fields.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    why would anyone think it was cleaned,
    it looks circulated to me
    LCoopie = Les
  • Looks like it was dipped. The marks and scuffs and stuff look like many other coins I've seen certified as low AU or high XF.

    I know what you mean about looking to combine lots to get the minimum for a certain level or to save on return shipping and so on.

    (insert lightbulb icon here)

    I just got an idea! Since I lost all my money in the stock market I've been thinking of ways to make money. So the idea is to live near PCGS and consolidate orders for people. You could collect 2 economy coins from customer A, 4 more from B, 3 different orders from Placid and so on. Walk them over to PCGS, pick up any that are ready. When all of Placid's orders are ready send them to him in one package! You could charge half or a quarter of what you save the customers. I'd be doing that this second if I lived down there... of course PCGS could put me out of biz in a second, but I would have nothing invested in the biz. If anybody does this you owe me a couple bucks! image
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw your thread when you first posted. At that time I thought the coin was in a NGC slab and had been conserved at NCS. Now with your picture of the slab up I am positive the coin has been conserved. PCGS might grade the coin and I say this because I have seen a few NCS conserved coins in PCGS plastic. Unfortunately one of them was a 20S Merc that I owned at one time. The thing was so white and looked very unnatural. Here is a picture of a coin I received yesterday. Guess who slabbed it and your first guess does not count. I bought it for my AU Merc set but now have doubts that I will use the coin. Its way to white for its age and just does not look right.

    For the life of me I do not understand why people use NCS on a classic coin.

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    Ken
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I saw your thread when you first posted. At that time I thought the coin was in a NGC slab and had been conserved at NCS. Now with your picture of the slab up I am positive the coin has been conserved. PCGS might grade the coin and I say this because I have seen a few NCS conserved coins in PCGS plastic. Unfortunately one of them was a 20S Merc that I owned at one time. The thing was so white and looked very unnatural. Here is a picture of a coin I received yesterday. Guess who slabbed it and your first guess does not count. I bought it for my AU Merc set but now have doubts that I will use the coin. Its way to white for its age and just does not look right.

    For the life of me I do not understand why people use NCS on a classic coin.

    Whenever I say this about NCS coins I get PM's and emails telling me I am wrongimage
  • DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>

    << <i>I saw your thread when you first posted. At that time I thought the coin was in a NGC slab and had been conserved at NCS. Now with your picture of the slab up I am positive the coin has been conserved. PCGS might grade the coin and I say this because I have seen a few NCS conserved coins in PCGS plastic. Unfortunately one of them was a 20S Merc that I owned at one time. The thing was so white and looked very unnatural. Here is a picture of a coin I received yesterday. Guess who slabbed it and your first guess does not count. I bought it for my AU Merc set but now have doubts that I will use the coin. Its way to white for its age and just does not look right.

    For the life of me I do not understand why people use NCS on a classic coin.

    Whenever I say this about NCS coins I get PM's and emails telling me I am wrongimage >>




    whats funny is that PCGS has had a history for far longer of rewarding dipped and stripped coins with higher grades than NGC, but NGC and NCS get the blame for it. Contrary to what some believe, a lot of "conservation" is done by run-of-mill collectors, dealers and coins docs, than by NCS.

    PCGS does not offer conservation per se, but they certainly reward the efforts in a lot of cases.



  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I do not know the history of the coin I purchased it already in the ngc slab so I cant confirm if it was conserved by ncs or not.
    I cranked up the brightness of the image in photoshop a fair amount before posting it so you could see the marks easier.
    It very well may have been dipped at some point but does have some retoning along the rims.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>whats funny is that PCGS has had a history for far longer of rewarding dipped and stripped coins with higher grades than NGC, but NGC and NCS get the blame for it. Contrary to what some believe, a lot of "conservation" is done by run-of-mill collectors, dealers and coins docs, than by NCS.

    PCGS does not offer conservation per se, but they certainly reward the efforts in a lot of cases. >>



    Maybe within what you collect/sell but certainly not within what I collect/sell. Of course NCS is not the only outfit/person that conserves coins. They sure have a distinct look though. The easiest way for a person to remember the look is to send one of your own toned coins in and then fall on the floor from "White Shock" when you receive the coin back. You will never forget the look.

    Ken
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, and maybe more than once.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Placid the coin is 162 years old and the eagle on the reverse has not aged a day.

    Ken
  • I have sent coins to NCS. Some toning is really ugly and even a dipped out white, old coin looks better. PCGS has rewarded such efforts.

    In this case I suspect that the coin was dipped by a dealer or collector experienced in dipping and stored in an album, envelope or 2x2 for some time. It seems clear that there is a tad of toning just starting to develop at the rims. The coin was then sent to NGC. I trust they can tell the difference between harsh cleaning and normal circulation marks and also would guess PCGS would agree with them. However don't bank on my guesses, they are only guesses after all...

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