Waaay OT... need help IDing an old map - found it!

spoon

Boy, I feel dumb.

This is one of my favorite maps in my collection, certainly the oldest.. and I can't remember who made it!

For whatever reason I can't find any of my records on it, chalk that up to three moves in the last year, I guess.

So, anyhow, now I'm debating whether I should sell it (need funds! that's why I have the expanded sale list in my sigline ), but it sure would be helpful to my efforts if I could remember the slightest details about it!

I'm having no luck with Google so I thought I'd toss this out to our diverse crowd here. If anyone can help you'll have my eternal gratitude... and maybe a round shiny thing for a bonus

I'm pretty sure it was 17th century Dutch. Dimensions are 22 5/8 x 18 inches.

Here it is or click here for an even larger pic (8MB!)

This is a composite of several scans stitched together in Photoshop, so you'll probably notice a few lines not matching up exactly on the large version.


EDIT:

I've transcribed the writing on reverse, though it's all in latin! For anyone interested, I've posted it here. From what I can glean from it, that history ends around the mid-1500s. As Jim commented the arms likely indicate that it was made before Louis XIV brought the town under French control in 1677. The 1598 Braun & Hogenberg map was probably the basis for this edition.

ASUtodd

Anything on the back of it?

spoon

Yep, I think it's a history of the town in Latin, not sure...

Here's a pic of one half of it. The other half related to a different map in the atlas I believe, can't find a pic of it. I have closeups of this half though, but never scanned or composed them.

IstilllikeZARcoins

The lion top left certainly makes it either Dutch or Belgian.

Can't help anymore then that.

JimK

It's in northern France near the Belgium Border. It is called Cambrai these days in Nord-Pas-De-Calais...
Cambrai

Perhaps the map has to do with the battle between the French and Spanish in 1677 since there are soldiers on it?
I think it's French...

Jim

theboz11

It has Notre Dame, it must be Paris

JimK

Maybe I was wrong about it being French.
Here is another map for sale which looks quite similar:
It is an old colored copper map by W. Blaeu- Amsterdam, 1638



W. Blaeu Map

Jim

spoon

It's definitely the Cambrai in N-Pas-de-Calais, France which at the time was kind of considered in the low countries. But I think the mapmaker was Dutch, one of the bigs, maybe a Blaeu, but I really just don't remember...

jamakin

the double headed eagle in the coat of arms indicates it dates to the time when Cambria was part of the holy roman empire.
link to cambria info (coat of arm on right of page)
The coat of arms in the map you have differs from the current one only by the emblem on the shield.
The one in the old map shows one lion while the modern shield has three.
Try looking up the significance of the one lion Vs three

ColinCMR

sweet map!

spoon

Hmm... maybe I need to offer better incentives

Y'know, I haven't been able to find any map collectors' forums... odd.

ASUtodd

http://www.cartographersguild.com/
http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist/
About the best I could find for now. I'll keep looking.... maybe we need to start a map forums????
Todd

JimK

Hey Spoon!
I remember reading somewhere there was a guy named Jan Jansson (yet another Dutch Cartographer) who evidently redid a bunch of those older Braun and Hogenburg Maps. Evidently his work was so much like Bleau's you can sometimes not tell them apart which might also explain the similarities to the other map link I posted of Bleau's.
Anyway, perhaps it is his work?
Cool subject and thanks for the lesson in French Maps.
Jim

spoon

I just found it! No, not my records.. those are still somewhere in the ether. But I did find a copy of this map online - LINKY.

Dated 1649 from the Atlas Van Loon. So I guess it was a Blaeu? I'm kinda fuzzy on this. The Van Loon took maps from Blaeu's Atlas Maior and a few others, but his version of Cambrai in the Atlas Maior was not a bird's eye like this? I haven't found any listing of other sources for the Van Loon, so this could still be from one of the others. Hmm....

I've still gotta dig a bit more for details, but this is a lead!

1jester

It is a cool map, that's for sure. I wonder about that river, though....it goes into the city, but never exits!

ASUtodd

Way to stick with it!! Glad you ID'd it... Now, are you going to sell it?