Legit Clip or Bogus Buck??

19Lyds

Ran across this on eBay and would like your opinions.

1976 IKE Double Clip

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fcloud

I vote bogus by the sharp edge on the reverse. that should be a low area and not fully stuck.

AUandAG

I see a Blakesly effect on the obverse opposite the clip......hmmmmmmmmm real?

bob

Aegis3

I'll step out on a ledge and say that the small clip is real, and the large one is awfully questionable, but I don't want to say right out it's a fake, because I'm not certain from merely the pics. When Sean says something, I'll agree with him.

Rampage

Hard to tell from those images.


Even the Blakesly effect can be faked if the faker is good enough. I've seen fake ones.

GrumpyEd

Even if it was real...

"coin is highly desirable because it is missing the date"

Not to me!

"Clips occur by the die coming down on the planchet sheet and the die actually hits where a coin has already been struck"

Not quite!

grip

Just for my education..How can you fake a blasksley.And if so would it not show on the reverse?

Al

GrumpyEd

<< <i>Just for my education..How can you fake a blasksley.And if so would it not show on the reverse? >>



Pinch the rim with smooth pliers or file it.

I'm still not sure it was faked, his info is all garbled.

19Lyds

Well, IMO, the small clip is real while the large clip appears faked including the Blakeslee effect which does not show up too well on the reverse.

The reverse edge of the large clip looks like it has a ridge from being cut but the only way to know for sure is to examine the coin in hand.

I would not take the chance with $350 though somebody else is certainly welcome to.

seanq

I'm gonna climb out on a limb and say that both clips are genuine, though I don't feel the coin is worth anything close to what that seller is asking. Here's why:

- the small clip is undoubtedly real, and its presence is a huge point in favor of the larger clip also being real. It has been my experience that large clips such as this often come with a much smaller clip as well, possibly because it would be difficult for a single punch in a gang to overlap an existing hole that far without others in the vicinity overlapping as well.

- the Blakesley effect is stronger on one side than another; on coins I've seen with this effect faked the rim is flattened equally onboth sides, usually with a grinding wheel or soft pliers. Even though it is weaker, the Blakesley effect is still visible on the reverse, even though it is in a partial shadow you can see in the picture how the reverse rim subtly changes shape around K-7:30.

- there is evidence of metal flow in the letters adjacent to the clip on the reverse, ans less so but also visible in the top of the 9 of the date on the obverse.

- what looks like a shadow from a raised line of metal on the inside edge of the clip on the reverse is actually toning; the same dark toning is visible on the obverse behind Ike's neck and leading down toward the clip.


So in summary, while I don't suggest dropping three bills on it, I do believe the coin is a genuine Mint product.


Sean Reynolds

seanq

I thought I'd bump this for the guys who asked the questions last night. Also, I hate to think I did all that typing and no one read it.


Sean Reynolds

Silverstate

<< <i>I vote bogus by the sharp edge on the reverse. that should be a low area and not fully stuck. >>

Dog97

My opinion says the Blakesley effect is questionable also.
Why aint it in a slab??

19Lyds

<< <i>I thought I'd bump this for the guys who asked the questions last night. Also, I hate to think I did all that typing and no one read it.


Sean Reynolds >>



I'm always interested in your replies Sean although I'm not in full agreement with this one. $350 is a big chance to take and way pff the mark IMO.

FredWeinberg

Although I agree that the Obv. scan of the clip area
looks a bit funny, I think it's the scan, not the coin.

IMO, both clips are genuine, based on what I can see.

19Lyds

Thanks Fred!

19Lyds

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