Need help on Confederate fantasy coins
CaptHenway
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Hi folks.
Sometime around the Civil War centennial period, 1961-1965, somebody made a nice set of die-struck Confederate fantasies modeled after the Confederate cent. They had denominations on the back of 1/100, 1/20, 1/10 and 1/4, and possibly 1/2.
Does anybody have any information as to who made these?
Does anybody have any original holders, envelopes or promotional material for them?
Appreciate any help.
Tom DeLorey
Sometime around the Civil War centennial period, 1961-1965, somebody made a nice set of die-struck Confederate fantasies modeled after the Confederate cent. They had denominations on the back of 1/100, 1/20, 1/10 and 1/4, and possibly 1/2.
Does anybody have any information as to who made these?
Does anybody have any original holders, envelopes or promotional material for them?
Appreciate any help.
Tom DeLorey
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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I don't know much about them, but have seen them occasional for sale or for auction.
Here is one link about them:
http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/bashlow.html
link
I'm sure someone who knows much more will come along soon.
Seriously, your best bet for some good information is to get a copy of "The Confederate Cent a Confederate Story" by Harlod Levi and George Corell.
This book is the main source for documented (and speculative) information regarding the CSA cent in all its various incarnations, and covers the pieces you refer to.
(also search out Heritage Auction Archives for CSA fractionals, there may be some info there)
A recent book out titled "The Lovett a Confederate Story" by Harold Levi and George Corell talks about them
I have a few examples of some of them
<< <i>Are you talking about the Bashlow restrikes?
I don't know much about them, but have seen them occasional for sale or for auction.
Here is one link about them:
http://www.rebelstatescurrency.com/bashlow.html
link
I'm sure someone who knows much more will come along soon. >>
Not the Bashlow pieces, which are only in the cent denomination. These were made from fantasy dies in various denominations. Just trying to establish where and when.
TD
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in 1963 according to the book , but I just looked at mine that were once sent to NGC marked as 1955
There are several different types too !
as ambro51 says the Heritage auction just had a lot of about 10 sold
the F.C.C. Boyd estate had some also
did NGC certify them as c1955 for you ? ..
that's what they are .. per H. Levi .. tj
"many contacts among the Lumberjacks "
NGC Registry AOEDAD sets:
Set #1 Major Expositions
Set #2 So-called Dollar Collections
So-called $50 Slug Facsimiles
Bashlow re-strikes
No, they are not certified , but ( they or you ) sent the tag with the date of manufacture
"many contacts among the Lumberjacks "
NGC Registry AOEDAD sets:
Set #1 Major Expositions
Set #2 So-called Dollar Collections
So-called $50 Slug Facsimiles
Bashlow re-strikes
Everything else, including ALL the CSA cents, were never seen by the Confederates, and never within the borders of the CSA. They are all essentially Restrikes. Lovett made from 12 to 15 (the number is unsure) CopperNickel CSA cents, but these to the best of our knowledge were not even revealed until 1874. The Haseltine restrikes, have taken on the mantle of Confederate Coins....and have extremely high value today.
Robert Bashlow, a real wacko (and personal friend of Walter Breen), loved restrikes and done his share to add more Coins to the Confederate Legacy. Though we cannot actually call them restrikes since they were produced with transfer dies made by the AG Frank Company. He was very aware of the existance of the original, and 1874 restrikes and made his coins Piedfort (double thickness), and in medal alignment. He also never used the metal composition of the Lovett originals, which were the same as the coppernickel US cent of the period. Lovett must have used his connections within the Philadelphia Mint to source planchets.
But My oh My things went craaaaazy during the years of the Civil War Centennial, and continue today. All sorts of fantasy coins appeared, and confuse many beginning collectors to this day. It's a good thing that all the valuable restrike versions are well documented.
I do feel that REDBOOK should recognize the Bashlow Restrikes. In fact, values of these have climbed quite briskly over the last year. A set of the three, Bronze, Silver and Goldine can be counted on to bring several hundred dollars at auction. Some sellers on ebay are constantly playing fisherman with the bronze ones nowadays, with BIN prices of nearly 200$. Last year, I bought five of them, averaged about 40$ each (one of which, like Lovett, I kept as a pocket piece, and yes, accidently spent it).
Categories • Stack's May 2005 Atlanta → Confederate States of America, Southern States and Territorial Paper Currency, and Related Fiscal Paper and Documents → The Metallic Numismatics of the Confederate States of America → Confederate Related Tokens and Restrikes
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Enigmatic Confederate Fractional Tokens. Each with a copy of the Confederate States of America Cent obverse type on one side and a fractional ''denomination'' on the other. These are all extremely rare and it is quite unprecedented for a complete set to be offered like this. Included are: 1/100. Copper. Choice Uncirculated. 65.7 gns. 19.9 mm. Some verdigris; 1/20. Silver (?). Choice Proof. 42.9 gns. 16.4 mm. Toned; 1/10. Copper Nickel (?). Choice Uncirculated. 72.1 gns. 20.1 mm; 1/4. Silver (?). Choice Proof. 130.7 gns. 25.6 mm. 4 pieces.
Lot # 4479
Hammer Price: $650.00
wish I knew last month.
Lot 28495 at Heritage was one of my consignments ..
the coins were c1955's same as the Stack's items ..
NGC would not slab them, only label them as c1955 NET's, so I put them up for auction.
Someone got a good deal at $253 for the 9 coin lot !
"many contacts among the Lumberjacks "
NGC Registry AOEDAD sets:
Set #1 Major Expositions
Set #2 So-called Dollar Collections
So-called $50 Slug Facsimiles
Bashlow re-strikes
I think I saw one of those on ebay not too long ago. It was a restrike though from the original dies. The dies had been badly mutilated to get all gauge marks on the service.........or so thats what I had read on the info on ebay.
I tried my best to win them, but the same guy keeps beating me whenever and wherever they pop up
<< <i>Yes, these do exist...and range from ones made in the 1880's to el cheapo repros that pop up on ebay for el cheapo money.
Seriously, your best bet for some good information is to get a copy of "The Confederate Cent a Confederate Story" by Harlod Levi and George Corell.
This book is the main source for documented (and speculative) information regarding the CSA cent in all its various incarnations, and covers the pieces you refer to.
(also search out Heritage Auction Archives for CSA fractionals, there may be some info there) >>
I'm just trying to fact check something in the book, and am looking for a neutral reference, that's all. Will probably have to look for ads offering them in the Numismatic Scrapbook Magazines and/or The Numismatists of the 1950s and 1960s.
TD
The Heritage archives have various cent and half dollar listings, but none of the 1/100, 1/20, 1/10 or 1/4 pieces in question.
Don't know if this info is still relevant, but these restrikes done for the Dallas coin club in 1953 are supposedly from the dies made in the 1880's
Interesting topic.
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thanks.
Thanks.
May I ask please where these photographs are from?
Holy Moly that a lot of dough
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I don’t have much insight to help the OP but I did pick this up on eBay a few years back. I know absolutely nothing about it, just that I liked it and probably over paid. Hopefully this thread will help me learn more about it.
There are better reproductions than others.
That, unfortunately, is a poor reproduction
Just compare the lettering between the two reproductions
Yes I agree with you, I saved both pics to do a side by side comparison and mine is definitely not as nice as the one posted earlier in the thread.
The neat thing about that type of holder is that all kinds of sets can be put together.
CaptHenway
This set is mine. Not really set up for decent photos. I contacted the club back in approximately 2010 when I acquired it and spoke with the secretary at the time and she told me it was a promotion or give away the club had made up for members. They added the Smith 50 cent pieces along with their own piece.
They differ from the Ford sale pieces in that some were struck in different metals.
There were supposedly very few sets put together at the time.
I you want to research your more than welcome to check them out
The coin club had their logo struck on one side of a confederate half token. To me it makes it more likely that the club had this set made especially for themselves