Unbelievable ebay auction...1953 Mantle

akuracy503

I cannot believe a seller or bidders could be so clueless:

1953 Topps Mantle graded 8.5 Ebay

bobbyw8469

The seller probably knows....Joe Public is a different story...

IJustLoveCards

I guess the bill collectors are calling...good seller gone bad...

julen23

pardon the interruption, but what gives w/ the auction?

is the card not legit?

j

nam812

Some SCD flips were good and some were bad. There were red flips and blue flips, but I never remember which colored flips usually were ok to buy?

CDsNuts

Thanks for the clarification Nick, you're an invaluable member of this forum. I don't know what we'd ever do without your wealth of knowledge. Please don't ever leave.

nam812

Good guys like Rube and Leo are gone, yet you remain. Go figure.

BunchOBull

Without a better scan, who knows. While SCD wasn't known for the most accurate grades in the world, they're have been many great cards busted from a SCD tomb to be reincapsulated by PSA and others. I'd call the odds equal to an old GAI flip.

44Magnum

There is nothing wrong with this card. Yes, SCD used red and blue flips, but neither one was bad (as in counterfeit). It is believed that their grading standards changed when their flips changed, so one flip is considered more trusted than the other, but neither one was counterfeit.

It looks like the seller is trying to re-sell some cards that he bought in the past. What's wrong with that?

Bought Gehrig
Selling Gehrig
Bought Raw Mantle
Selling Raw mantle

OP, you should really know what you're talking about before you go and try to damage some good seller's reputation.

PoppaJ

Maybe the seller will buy a nice scanner with the money from this auction

It always amazes me when sellers have such crappy pics, especially in
high priced card auctions.

PoppaJ

jamesryanbell

I'm not seeing a problem. What's wrong with it? Am I missing something?

Ladder7

The original poster should've included a little more background on the topic. IMO

Reds are the original, more reliable holder. A blue holder isn't a death sentence, just that it's more likely to be trimmed/altered.

Comparing the size to my '53 Mantle, this card does _seem_ a bit smaller side to side. Top to bottom looks okay. I hope I'm mistaken but, this card is too much of a gamble for my conservative nature.

Some thoughts,
Poor photo for such a hi-grade. (How about a clearer shot, or scan sir? Film is cheap), This card could command SO much more in an SGC/PSA/BVG slab -even if it's dropped a full grade. (Why isn't it?), The seller's comment "SCD does not grade altered cards." scares the bejesus outta me. Good luck

dizzle

The seller in question also is selling another 1953 Mantle (but raw)
and 1933 Goudey #92 Lou Gehrig graded CSA 9 He states in this auction CSA does not grade altered cards...Hmm it must be mint then!!

WinPitcher

Blue flips are crap.

Original red flips are pretty good.

Steve

akuracy503

My concern is why the seller (if they had a clue) is selling this on ebay without a reserve when it is a potentially $8,000+ card considering the grade...

Either reckless or stupid.

If you guys think this card is legit then I will glady fork over the $1000 rigth now and buy the thing....

Is this one of those too good to be true scenario's??

44Magnum

<< <i>My concern is why the seller (if they had a clue) is selling this on ebay without a reserve when it is a potentially $8,000+ card considering the grade...

Either reckless or stupid.

If you guys think this card is legit then I will glady fork over the $1000 rigth now and buy the thing....

Is this one of those too good to be true scenario's?? >>



You sound to me like you are contradicting yourself with that statement. On one hand you say that it is "reckless or stupid" to sell a card like that without a reserve, but on the other hand you say the card is not legit.

Granted, the seller may not be the sharpest tool in the shed (no reserve, crappy pics, possible shill bidding, etc), but I think most of us agree that the card is legit. I personally wouldn't take a gamble on it because there is a possibility of the card being trimmed, re-colored, etc, but then again you weren't questioning whether or not the card was altered - you were questioning the legitimacy. And as far as listing the card w/o a reserve, well...just look at the high bidder. That should tell you all you need to know. Possible shill?

SDSportsFan

The red oval SCDA (Sports Collectors Digest Authentic) holders are good. The blue oval SCDA (Sports Cards Direct Authentic) holders are on a par with PRO Grading, and are therefore, absolute CRAP.


Steve

Slabbed

Card has been trimmed on all four sides as you can tell borders are to thin, Not enough white on the four borders.

WinPitcher

SCDA bought the machinary when SCD went bellyup.

Or at least that is how it was told to me.

It was all part of the Grade and trade fiasco.


Steve

akuracy503

<< <i>

<< <i>My concern is why the seller (if they had a clue) is selling this on ebay without a reserve when it is a potentially $8,000+ card considering the grade...

Either reckless or stupid.

If you guys think this card is legit then I will glady fork over the $1000 rigth now and buy the thing....

Is this one of those too good to be true scenario's?? >>



You sound to me like you are contradicting yourself with that statement. On one hand you say that it is "reckless or stupid" to sell a card like that without a reserve, but on the other hand you say the card is not legit.

Granted, the seller may not be the sharpest tool in the shed (no reserve, crappy pics, possible shill bidding, etc), but I think most of us agree that the card is legit. I personally wouldn't take a gamble on it because there is a possibility of the card being trimmed, re-colored, etc, but then again you weren't questioning whether or not the card was altered - you were questioning the legitimacy. And as far as listing the card w/o a reserve, well...just look at the high bidder. That should tell you all you need to know. Possible shill? >>



Good discussion guys, by saying "legit" it means all of the above (original print, unaltered) just questioning the sellers words of the said grading company does not grade altered/trimmed cards. Seller also categorized the grading company as "PSA".

I'm not here to start a battle of facts, just getting an open discussion, so relax...

Excuse my lack of substance when I originally posted.

WinPitcher

Whoever won that card took an 1800.00 gamble.

IMO if it was 'legit' it would have been in a PSA, SGC or Beckett holder.

By having it in an SCDA or however they spell it blue flip holder screams illegit to me.

At best it will get into a PSA 'A' holder and be worth about a grand.

I hope I'm wrong for the buyers sake.

Steve

akuracy503

If it ends up in a PSA Authentic holder you think it'd be worth a grand?
That is being mighty generous =D

Fyi - I sent a message to the seller asking him a few questions as to why he is selling such a beautiful card without a reserve and if he had a return policy.
No response...this was sent yesterday so I assume he had seen my questions.