48 Leaf Article in the SMR

Publius

Anyone read this turd of an article?

Seriously, tell us something we DONT know about the set, do a little bit of "investigative journalism" man. There are so many unanswered questions about this set that remain unanswered after this showcase article in our mainstream hobby magazine.

"fortunately or unfortunately the only hits Bednarik is dishing out these days are on collectors wallets" LOL What an ending. Community college journalist drop out.

Seriously, if your going to write an article on a set, state more than the obvious....

OK, Im done ranting. Scott and Dave can chime in now

joe

Davemri

I thought it was a good article for someone who knows nothing about the set, but that's about it. I wish they would have dove into some of the variations a little more, how they were issued, packs, etc..... Amaturish but it will probably give the set a short term boost in prices.

just my opinion...

Dave

otwcards

<< <i> Amaturish but it will probably give the set a short term boost in prices. >>



I don't want a short term boost or an increase in interest (yet). I have enough trouble dealing with Joe bidding on the dasm things.

Interestingly, I wrote a story several years back about the M116 find that I had and forwarded it to Joe to promote the set that was going to be auctioned by Lelands. He added a brief preface to it, chopped some of it out and then published it without any credit to the original author.

Reading this '48 Leaf article, I'd be hesitant to want any credit had I contributed to it. There was SO MUCH MORE that could've and should've been written or else the article should not have been published.

Any time PSA wants me to research and write an article about some tough or obscure set ('77 Topps Mexican, '48 Leaf, M116, etc) all they have to do is drop me an email... I'm sure we could reach agreement on fair and reasonable compensation.

Publius

<< <i>. I wish they would have dove into some of the variations a little more, how they were issued, packs, etc.....
Dave >>



Dave
exactly what I was thinking. If they're going to do an article on a set, give some insight, dont just regurgitate the sh.. stuff we all know about, post a few scans of some bad cards (cept the Luckman 7, very nice) and quote the guy with the #1 set about how hard some of the cards are to find.

Oh well

I would love to read an article about the 77 mexicans Scotty, that would be really cool. Have you found me a Largent 8 yet?

joe

otwcards

<< <i>

I would love to read an article about the 77 mexicans Scotty, that would be really cool. Have you found me a Largent 8 yet?
>>



Working on your Largent...

Want Mexican info? How about visiting here... I heard the guy that runs the site is a crazy loon with a mohawk and a body full of tattoos!

perkdog

I havnt read the article but is there really that much info on the set to begin with? Every time I read an article about the 52 set its the same old thing about the Lansford and the cards divisable by 9 are off centered.. I feel your frustration fellas.

jrmazzeo

Well I understand those experts on the board feeling like the article was too basic and not very insightful. Might I suggest that the set registry articles must appeal to a broad audience of PSA readers, not just those of us that are working on the set. As someone that was quoted in the article I was disappointed that the discussion I had with the writer about variations was not included. One type of variation that I see often that is not considered a variation by PSA is the gold vs. yellow background. The backgrounds are clearly different and I have many examples of both backgrounds that can clearly be differentiated. Of course there are many officially recognized variations that are interesting as well.

JM

otwcards

<< <i>Well I understand those experts on the board feeling like the article was too basic and not very insightful. Might I suggest that the set registry articles must appeal to a broad audience of PSA readers, not just those of us that are working on the set. As someone that was quoted in the article I was disappointed that the discussion I had with the writer about variations was not included. One type of variation that I see often that is not considered a variation by PSA is the gold vs. yellow background. The backgrounds are clearly different and I have many examples of both backgrounds that can clearly be differentiated. Of course there are many officially recognized variations that are interesting as well.

JM >>



The orange and yellow backgrounds are similar to the name bar background variations. I realize that the variations are distinct, but they are more the result of the variation of the dyes used during the inking process than specific color variations.

However, the green, yellow and blue numbers on some cards that are not noted should be as these are print specific. The yellow number is a solid print (full bleed yellow ink) while the green and the blue have distinctly different inking characteristics and cannot be considered shading issues. The green is applied in a matrix application while the blue is a solid application (akin to the yellow). All one need do is look at the variations under a loupe to see the differences in the printing process and given that the process had to be different, such variations should be noted.

BTW, does anyone have any images of the white background examples? I have yet to see one, or maybe I have and just didn't realize it.

otwcards

Just a side note, someone should let Kevin Glew know that Bednarik's nickname was gained because he was a concrete salesman during the off season, not because of his "bone-crunching tackles."

recbball

You guys should update this thread more often. 1948 Leaf thread
I would love to read about all the knowledge you guys have on the set.
This is a set I want to start in a couple of years. I already have the HOF RC's and the Lujack RC, but I would love to hear about what commons are tuff to find and which ones are readily available.
Tom

Publius

<< <i>Just a side note, someone should let Kevin Glew know that Bednarik's nickname was gained because he was a concrete salesman during the off season, not because of his "bone-crunching tackles." >>



I didnt know that Scott, funny


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Well I understand those experts on the board feeling like the article was too basic and not very insightful. Might I suggest that the set registry articles must appeal to a broad audience of PSA readers, not just those of us that are working on the set. As someone that was quoted in the article I was disappointed that the discussion I had with the writer about variations was not included. One type of variation that I see often that is not considered a variation by PSA is the gold vs. yellow background. The backgrounds are clearly different and I have many examples of both backgrounds that can clearly be differentiated. Of course there are many officially recognized variations that are interesting as well.

JM
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Jeff,
I didnt mean this as a knock to you or the other collector interviewed in the article, I apologize if it came off that way.

Ive been interviewed for these articles before too (the HIGHLY regarded and clouded in mystery 84 topps set) and most of what I said hit the editing room floor as well.

Your probably right about the article being written for the layman to the set, but it would still be nice to read something insightful. I learn more and more about this set every day, mostly from Scott and Dave here, DaveMRI has an extensive collection of variations of all types that he has catalogued, Scott is very knowledgeble about variations and prints.

joe

obusek99

I was just happy to finally get some love from the SMR, those cards that sold in January were mine. I sell a NM 7 Layne RC for almost 7k and it never even makes the SMR, doesn't even change the SMR value for a NM 7, which I understand is crap to begin with but come on put a little effort into it. So the fact that the article was short in size, short on information any of us care about and lacking interesting content is not surprising. Someone DOES need to write a book on this set because it is so amazing in many different ways.

jrmazzeo

Jeff,
I didnt mean this as a knock to you or the other collector interviewed in the article, I apologize if it came off that way.

Ive been interviewed for these articles before too (the HIGHLY regarded and clouded in mystery 84 topps set) and most of what I said hit the editing room floor as well.

Your probably right about the article being written for the layman to the set, but it would still be nice to read something insightful. I learn more and more about this set every day, mostly from Scott and Dave here, DaveMRI has an extensive collection of variations of all types that he has catalogued, Scott is very knowledgeble about variations and prints.

joe
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No need to apologize Joe, I hear what you are saying on the article. We should ask Kevin to post on this thread when he is planning to write a new article on a set so that we can suggest to him who to interview and what to cover. In his defense I know in some cases he asks certain people for interviews on the sets but for whatever reason they cannot respond.

JM

Davemri

It's funny that I know quite a bit about this set, but I am currently not building the set. I'm sure I will one of these days. I currently have all the HOF rookies from the set and the only variation I have is a "georgous" george variation.



<< <i>BTW, does anyone have any images of the white background examples? I have yet to see one, or maybe I have and just didn't realize it. >>


As for the "white" background, I don't believe I've ever seen one. The closest I've seen is a Trippi and It is not even catalogued...I believe it belongs to Jasen Cassidy from the HOF RC set.

41GoudeyGuy

I found the article to be simplistic but did provide a baseline level of information for collectors looking for that next challenge. The article was not intended for high end Leaf collectors but rather a gereral audience. There is rarely an article in the SMR which is of much value to anybody with more than a cursory knowledge of the set. The writing is high-school level at best and is probably the product of local interns or employee's kids. I make a point of reading each article every issue but generally feel I've wasted my time. My biggest complaint with ths article was they spent all that time pumping up the Bednarik card and didn't show an image of one. Come on PSA, surely you have an image of this card somewhere that you can publish with this article.

perkdog

<< <i>I havnt read the article but is there really that much info on the set to begin with? Every time I read an article about the 52 set its the same old thing about the Lansford and the cards divisable by 9 are off centered.. I feel your frustration fellas. >>



I guess I was wrong- there IS alot about this set. I misunderstood the topic.

jay0791

An article should have 2 things included. One, a brief introduction and whom the article is intended for. Is it general info for the layman, or advanced for the serious collector. Second, (and all serious publications of any kind have this)..is credits of contributers. This adds credibility to the article itself.
The SMR is such a joke.....I don't even open it from the plastic covering...maybe I should start to at least to read the articles.
As a beginner in serious FB cards...I need more knowledge.

Not knockdave in any way...but IMO as a layman....I would look at the 2 trippis and assume the card on the right was UV faded.

OK back to you card einsteins

Davemri

Does anyone have any back issues of Gridiron greats magazine? It looks like they had an article on the 48-49 leaf sets in their Fall 2003 issue (number 5)

gridiron greats magazine


I have spring 2005 to winter 2007. If anyone needs an article from one of these issues, let me know.

dave

BigDaddyBowman

I have several years worth of the magazine.....it is a fantastic resource for vintage football. I will check to see if I have that issue.


EDIT: I have the Fall 2003 issue. I will try to scan pages of leaf article and put on site.

Davemri

Great! Thanks..

BigDaddyBowman

I can't figure out how to scan a readable copy, so anyone who wants a copy of the article, im me your address and I will send a copy.

Davemri

pm sent...Thanks!

goraiders

pm sent,thanks for any info.

Publius

<< <i>I can't figure out how to scan a readable copy, so anyone who wants a copy of the article, im me your address and I will send a copy. >>



Ryans going to fax me a copy of the article, and Ill scan it and post it up here.

REally looking forward to reading that article Ryan, thanks much for finding it. Hopefully they talk about the Bednarik card, I hear its #60 in the set

otwcards

<< <i> Hopefully they talk about the Bednarik card, I hear its #60 in the set >>



No, Joe! He's one of the 60 cards in the set. Did you know that he got his nickname from his concrete style of hitting opponents?

BTW, figured I'd share this with you...



And we can't forget about his Leaf rookie (even though he noted the wrong HOF year)...

Publius

Scott
OK, that Gifford hit auto is awesome man!!

The fact that he would sign it " this f-n game is over " is hilarious man. That is one of my all time favorite photos man, thanks for posting that

otwcards

Joe:

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