Disappearing toning??
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I'm eye-balling some coins on Heritage and I came across this NGC MS66 PL Morgan. Haven't noticed something like this before.
In 2005, the cataloger describes the reverse as having a border of "deeper forest-green toning". 2005 sale
In the current auction, it appears the toning is gone! 2008 sale
Any thoughts? Is it just angle of the pic or what?
Nice bump-up in price BTW!
In 2005, the cataloger describes the reverse as having a border of "deeper forest-green toning". 2005 sale
In the current auction, it appears the toning is gone! 2008 sale
Any thoughts? Is it just angle of the pic or what?
Nice bump-up in price BTW!
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Notice that you can't see the toning in 1 picture but you also can't see the NGC logo very much at all in one picture either.
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Also, don't expect reality in Heritage photos. This is more of a charged statement, but I feel that their one-size-fits-all lighting approach does a general disservice to gold coins. It takes some time to interpret these images to make an educated guess as to what it will look like in the hand. To be fair, all pictures of coins are like this to some extent. It's just that Heritage tends to use lighting that shows surface hairlines (some of them, not all of them) and at the same time tends to suppress the color of the patina. The hairline 'speckly' detail seen in Heritage photos tends to obscure the larger scale features such as dings and hits. I sound like a complainer today. These are merely harsh observations. If heritage were to make a change, they would have to make it very carefully so as not to upset the general balance of their overall photography on their overall coins. I would like to see more specific lighting for specific types of coins, sort of what Mark Goodman suggests in his book. It's a good idea and it presents the coin in a better, more realistic manner.
Heritage posts the highest resolution images of all the auction houses. I appreciate this mightily!
notice the mint mark position between the two coins. it looks slightly
different. i am sure if i spent more time examining the pics i could
find an even better marker to show the revs are two different coins.
I am seeing something "impossible" on the front ([edit] obverse) picture of these two heritage auctions.
Take a close look at the barcode in relationship to the "Numismatic Guaranty Corportation" text below it.
I specifically want you to look at the alignment of the second bar code stripe from the left in relationship to the first letter "I" in 'Numismatic".
In the current, 2008 listing, I see that second bar is just to the left of the "I".
In the 2005 listing, I see that the second bar is just to the right of the "I".
How can this be...other than the obvious thing I am thinking about but do not want to state without confirmation from other board members.
<< <i>I dont think they are the same coin.Heritage is not known for their auction photography,but too many things dont look the same.JMHO >>
It's the same NGC cert. number on the slab.
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If one submits a coin to NGC for reslabbing...no regrade...does that coin get the same serial number?
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<< <i>I dont think they are the same coin.Heritage is not known for their auction photography,but too many things dont look the same.JMHO >>
It's the same NGC cert. number on the slab. >>
Sure. But is the reverse shot the same coin?
Maybe there is another morgan being auctioned that has forest
green toning on the rev?
<< <i>Sure. But is the reverse shot the same coin?
Maybe there is another morgan being auctioned that has forest
green toning on the rev? >>
I'm not disagreeing with your first post - it could be a simple mix up of the reverse images.
But are the obverse images the same coin? I didn't have the time to compare side by side, so my question is a serious one.
Seriously one looks like a photo the other a high quality scan.
Could this have been a coin submitted to NCS and then re-slabbed with the same cert number???
<< <i>Has anyone ever heard of toning on a coin in a slab fading or getting lighter over time? I never have. >>
I have, and others on this board have claimed some of the Battle Creek Morgans have mellowed over time.