OJ Simpson: Guilty On All Counts....Faces Life In Prison
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Steve
<< <i>Good, now maybe he can do some jail time.
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Then who's going to look for Nicole's killer?
<< <i>Screw him, Im glad justice caught up to him finally. >>
I was taught as a kid, two wrongs do not make a right, which can also mean two injustices does not equal justice IMO. I mean C'mon, he was found guilty of stealing his own stuff.....crazy.
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An OJ defender? Or are you joking? Dude is a lunatic and should be locked up. Was he not brandishing a firearm and kidnapping people?
<< <i>I was taught as a kid, two wrongs do not make a right, which can also mean two injustices does not equal justice IMO. I mean C'mon, he was found guilty of stealing his own stuff.....crazy.
An OJ defender? Or are you joking? Dude is a lunatic and should be locked up. Was he not brandishing a firearm and kidnapping people? >>
I do not think I am defending OJ by saying two injustices does not equal justice.
According to testimony of the trial...he did not brandish a gun, one of the guys that got off did. He kidnapped people, only if you redefine what I have always been told what kidnapping meant.
When it comes down to it, he was sentenced to 20 years for stealing his own stuff. I do not see that justice. Especially with the understanding it was a set-up, which was admitted by the people he reportedly "kidnapped" which is also why the ordeal was recorded.
OJ is a murderer...although, you would have to be an idiot to believe the prosecutor "facts" in the murder case against him, but one would also be an idiot to assume he had no involvement. However, according to the laws of the US, we are not allowed to prosecute again him for that. Do you think me or you would have gotten 20 years for this? I don't.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
You lay down with dogs you get fleas which is what he did when he agreed to Riccio's plan.
<< <i>It's not his stuff as he has had several turn over orders from the courts in california. After the civil trial he and he told his sports agent to ransack his home and hide all this stuff. He was stored in lockers all these years until OJ refused to pay his agent. He then told the agent to sell the stuff for his pay which he did. So not only did the courts own the stuff not OJ he gave permission for it to be sold. He had no moral or legal claim to any of the stuff.
You lay down with dogs you get fleas which is what he did when he agreed to Riccio's plan. >>
Not trying to defend OJ, just get facts straight. It was his stuff, and admitted so by the people he "kidnapped." The court order you are referring to ordered everything over $5000 in value turned over. Because of this he was allowed to keep his Rolex watch. Do you think an autographed OJ photo is worth over $5000? If you don't...then it was his stuff. If you do, I have some autographs I can sell you at a really nice discount.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Anyone want to buy a nice certified OJ auto for $500? How about $250? It's worth $1000s right?
You can murder someone and served 8-10 years, so I don't think any of you can honestly say, that justice was done on this case. But rather, a quasi-justice was done for a previous case.....that is not justice. No where did I say OJ was innocent. Just that justice was not done on this case.
Edit to add: A good reference on what OJ was allowed to keep and claim as his is the Rolex. The court ruled it did not meet the value where it needed to be turned over. With that judgment from the court with the claims court order, you can ask yourself, is this worth more then OJ's Rolex...if the answer is no...then it belongs to OJ. Personally, I think he should have had to turn over the watch.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
exact day as the murder case. Karma is a beotch.
Steve
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<< <i>Screw him, Im glad justice caught up to him finally. >>
I was taught as a kid, two wrongs do not make a right, which can also mean two injustices does not equal justice IMO. I mean C'mon, he was found guilty of stealing his own stuff.....crazy. >>
Umm OK thats fine BUT I still say screw him and good riddance. Justice is going to be served no matter what "angle" your looking at it from, try and sell this to the Goldman family or Brown family.
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<< <i>Screw him, Im glad justice caught up to him finally. >>
I was taught as a kid, two wrongs do not make a right, which can also mean two injustices does not equal justice IMO. I mean C'mon, he was found guilty of stealing his own stuff.....crazy. >>
How sadly you missed the major point of the OJ fiasco. OJ was heard on tape saying "don't let anyone leave the room". THAT is kidnapping and a felony in the state of Nevada. Perhaps you missed that point as a kid.
I hope the SOB rots and dies in jail. SCREW OJ
<< <i>Pour OJ.
Thanks for the big grin!!! A classic response.
<< <i>Let's say it was 100% OJ's stuff. He still can not walk into a hotel with his boys, with guns, with plans to forecefully take it back. That's against the law. There are laws to get your stuff back. He chose to not follow the law to get his stuff back. Instead he broke the law. It's cut and dry. He is a criminal. If you came up with the same stupid plan I would hope you would go to jail too. >>
Again all parties agree it was his stuff....that is not debated by ANY party involved. I understand you are a lawyer Allen...but I am not sure how that isn't clear to you. In fact I think you are looking at his previous cleared court history...which as a lawyer you should understand is not how the court laws go.
I do agree what he did was illegal. I do not think the sentence fit the crime and I don't think anyone believes he did not get a harsh sentence due to a previous case. That is not justice. That does not mean OJ is innocent. I think if it was anyone else they would have gotten probation..and the guy that pulled the gun, would not have gotten off.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Linky to video showing court ruling on Nevada case >>
Anyone notice that in this Fox News video their expert ooks more like a mad scientist more then a lawyer.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Glad to say justice was finally served, albeit 13 years too late. Society is better off without him walking around. He thought he was invincible, and that was and will always be his tragic flaw. If I were OJ, and had gotten off after brutally murdering two people, I'd make damn sure I'd never put myself in a situation like the one in that hotel room. Problem with OJ is that he always thought he was above the law, and until yesterday, he was right in a sense. Good luck in the clink, Juice, LOL! >>
BINGO !!!!!
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That about sums it up.
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Watching the trial, it was pretty clear that the judge was not
friendly to OJ's position. Not surprising that the jury followed
her lead.
The "don't let anybody leave this room" remark made the kidnapping
count a slam dunk. MUCH of the other stuff was moderately lame and
likely would have earned my NG vote.
Often, folks get "life time achievement awards." The purists who like
to nail bad guys for stuff they actually did will just have to look at this
one as OJ's LTAA.
The jury was all white folks, so he may well get a new trial, if he makes
enough noise.
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We really need to move to a system of professional jurors. That would
have solved the problem 13-yers ago; AND, likely would have rendered
a somewhat different outcome last night.
<< <i>We really need to move to a system of professional jurors. That would
have solved the problem 13-yers ago; AND, likely would have rendered
a somewhat different outcome last night. >>
Very true.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>It's not his stuff as he has had several turn over orders from the courts in california. After the civil trial he and he told his sports agent to ransack his home and hide all this stuff. He was stored in lockers all these years until OJ refused to pay his agent. He then told the agent to sell the stuff for his pay which he did. So not only did the courts own the stuff not OJ he gave permission for it to be sold. He had no moral or legal claim to any of the stuff.
You lay down with dogs you get fleas which is what he did when he agreed to Riccio's plan. >>
Not trying to defend OJ, just get facts straight. It was his stuff, and admitted so by the people he "kidnapped." The court order you are referring to ordered everything over $5000 in value turned over. Because of this he was allowed to keep his Rolex watch. Do you think an autographed OJ photo is worth over $5000? If you don't...then it was his stuff. If you do, I have some autographs I can sell you at a really nice discount. >>
Glad you got your facts straight, maybe you should read this. Some rolex eh. Even if you are correct about the $5000 value rule, doesn't change the fact that he agent testified that OJ gave him that stuff and the jury could have very well believed him thus negating the arguement that is was OJ's stuff. Next time read my entire post and get your facts correct before you get your panites up your butt.
Simpson’s Rolex is a fake, Goldmans find
By Andrew Blankstein
October 06, 2007 in print edition B-1
The Goldman family thought it had reached a turning point earlier this week in its decade-long battle to collect a $33.5-million civil judgment from O.J. Simpson.
A Santa Monica judge ordered the former football star to turn over his gold Rolex Submariner watch – estimated to be worth $12,000 to $22,000 – to the family.
But the Hall of Fame running back hit them with a fake – literally – when it was discovered that the luxury timepiece was a knockoff made in China, worth about $125.
“It was made by the finest craftsmen in China,” said David Cook, the Goldman family attorney who plans to return the watch to Simpson. “It’s a people’s Rolex.”
Simpson is making headlines after being charged with armed robbery and kidnapping stemming from a Sept. 13 incident at a downtown Las Vegas hotel.
Authorities have accused Simpson and five other men of bursting into a hotel room at gunpoint to steal signed footballs and other items from memorabilia dealers.
The Santa Monica case stems from the slayings of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson in 1994. Simpson was acquitted of murder charges, but a jury later found him liable for the killings and ordered him to pay $33.5 million. The Goldmans have yet to collect any significant money.
The family went to court in Santa Monica seeking proceeds from Simpson’s memorabilia and other items, including the Rolex. (Simpson’s civil attorney Ronald P. Slates had warned that the watch was of suspicious origin.)
The judge eventually ruled that the watch could be sold and that the Las Vegas memorabilia would be frozen pending further order of the court.
Cook, based in San Francisco, said he took the watch to a Bay Area jeweler, who notified him, as he put it, that the timepiece was “value disabled.”
Despite the watch’s dubious lineage, Cook said that he had received a $10,000 offer to buy it. But in court papers, Judge Gerald Rosenberg rejected the suggestion, ordering Cook to turn it over to Simpson’s attorney.
Now on the agent, there are conflicting stories, so let's not pretend you know all the facts, unless you were there, I do not either. The agent and the other guy did do several interviews after the thing, where they basically admitted it was a set-up and did state they were OJ's. In fact one of the guys was on OJ side until a deal was cut for him. Even if the agent was 100% correct, they would still be OJ's. If I give you a car to sell for me, it is still my car. Depending on our deal I may owe you if it sells or not, but ownership does not change hands because you are acting as a middle man.
This by the way, doesn't mean I have my panties up my butt. Unless you somehow believe that if everyone doesn't agree with you, that they somehow have panties up their butt. You will note I did not try to get personal with an attack, such as you just did.
I am amazed I am getting so much heat for saying, what the court told jury members, that the past crime should have no effect on the current, despite the fact that I believe it did. I bet I can do an internet search and come up with dozens of Nevada murders with less of a sentence.
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/s/ JackWESQ
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That just never can happen.
MAYBE, 30-years ago, a "college-graduates only" rule for jury participation
would have helped. The dumbing-down is now nearly complete so the only
hope is to abandon the jury system as it currently exists. Of course, that
will not happen.
There is REALLY good motivation to avoid arrest in America. If you go to trial,
either a fairly disinterested and bored judge will decide your fate, OR a group
of exceptionally stupid folks will do so.
Having served on a jury in a capital case, I can tell you that most folks have
ZERO idea about how backward and dumb their neighbors really are.
Avoid trouble with the law, at all costs. Once you are in the system, you lose.
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I fully expect that to happen.
And, it may not require the Supremes to deliver his remedy.
BUT, with 530 questionaires distributed via the SAME process
that everybody else gets, 50%+ of the pool was tossed for
admitted/claimed bias. Some of those, we don't know yet,
may well have been non-whites.
I watched much of the trial and it was definitely NOT an Ito
show. She missed few chances to be nasty to Yale, and there
was far too much eye-rolling in the direction of the jury. She
was definitely sending her message; over and over again.
Galanter's strongest points may rest in the fact that he was
not allowed to properly reveal exactly what kind of SCUM the
government made deals with to nail OJ. When the bad rulings
on those issues started, I knew it was over.
Most jurors - even the stupid, stupid, stupid ones - want to
find an element of fariness or unfairnesss that they can use
to try to get to their understanding of "reasonable" doubt.
Yale got trapped naked on that front and all the jury could
do was "follow the law."
OTOH, the absence of black-folks might have made putting
the government on trial a wasted exercise, anyway. White
folks trust the government, black folks not so much. The
card will certainly be played and it might be a winner.
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Oh, and I know from a reliable source that YG is paid for
some of his work, and is not paid for some of his work.
In any event, he is not collecting retail. He also has the
appeals-skills to avoid having to hire a bunch of new guys;
the endgame can be played economically.
1. O.J. Simpson is acquitted of two counts of murder ... the system works and justice prevails.
2. O.J. Simpson is convicted of kidnapping and robbery ... the system doesn't work and the conviction is just payback because the jury had an agenda.
But are we really to be surprised? When was the last time someone complained because they got what they wanted?
/s/ JackWESQ
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This time, our inborn thirst for the rewards/penalties of natural law to be levied
simply outweighs our need to see positive law work properly. This day might not
always be seen as the finest hour of American justice.
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Likely the most common line we hear about Al Capone is, "They couldn't get him
for what he did, so it took the IRS to nail him." Someday, folks will commonly
offer a similar quote about OJ.
If somebody does a crime against our property, we want the right person caught
and punished. If we get in a hurry to accept karma-explanations about why we
can substitute crimes, provided punishment is delivered, we may not be too far
away from interchangeably substituting defendants. "Well, somebody stole my car,
and that guy looks like somebody who might have done it, and he has stolen cars
before."
Nobody is entitled to a perfect trial, BUT most Americans want to believe that
the law itself will function perfectly. Here, it is starting to appear that maybe
neither circumstance was served up.
Galanter's observations today are pretty elementary, and pretty hard to dismiss.
The judge could also decide to stack all his sentences for the 12 different charges back to back to back, and unless the life expectantcy of man changes a WHOLE lot, there is a chance that OJ will never walk out a free man.
I don't think we should pass judgement on "justice" yet, until we hear a sentence.
Mike
<< <i>"But are we really to be surprised? When was the last time someone complained because they got what they wanted?"
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This time, our inborn thirst for the rewards/penalties of natural law to be levied
simply outweighs our need to see positive law work properly. This day might not
always be seen as the finest hour of American justice.
.............
Likely the most common line we hear about Al Capone is, "They couldn't get him
for what he did, so it took the IRS to nail him." Someday, folks will commonly
offer a similar quote about OJ.
If somebody does a crime against our property, we want the right person caught
and punished. If we get in a hurry to accept karma-explanations about why we
can substitute crimes, provided punishment is delivered, we may not be too far
away from interchangeably substituting defendants. "Well, somebody stole my car,
and that guy looks like somebody who might have done it, and he has stolen cars
before."
Nobody is entitled to a perfect trial, BUT most Americans want to believe that
the law itself will function perfectly. Here, it is starting to appear that maybe
neither circumstance was served up.
Galanter's observations today are pretty elementary, and pretty hard to dismiss. >>
Well said.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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I agree, if justice is measured by years served.
I am having trouble finding folks who were even charged like
these two guys were. It makes me wonder if they were grossly
overcharged, which should always lead to the question of
whether or not they should have been charged at all. The right
solution is probably/hopefully somewhere in the middle of those two notions.
Ms. Glass is a hanging judge. Her cavalier comments about the
appelate process don't give me confidence in her general disposition;
when combined with having watched her in action,.... I dunno.
Glass can always fall back on giving a sermon about why the penalties
for armed-robbery are so harsh - somebody could have gotten croaked -
and come down pretty hard.
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I think I KNOW that OJ is a murderer. I guess, since me and mine weren't
the victims, I care more about the process than about retribution. The
process, gone bad, is a potential threat to ME; OJ, not very much.
Maybe GW will pardon OJ, on January 19, 2009.
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One of my recalls from the first OJ trial.
I remember knowing he was guilty, being disgusted with the jury, AND
thinking that I might have decided the same way they did.
(Ito's jury instructions were the end of that trial, IF it didn't end the day
the jury was seated.)