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Is this a 1971-S FPL Ike...

sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
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that I just found in the coins I bought in Ohio? Why YES it is!image

Coin grades about MS63 although it may have a shot at MS64:
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I couldn't sleep because of my cold. I decided to look through the last of the Ikes and found it about fifth from last one. I am now kicking myself I did not buy more of them.image

Maybe I can get them to ship more. image



Sumdunce

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  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    Does not look like the FPL to me....Possibility of SPL, but more than likely an "almost" PL.
    Check for reverse DDR or die abrasion.

    Brian

    I Love image Variety & Error Ikes! image
  • bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭
    Not sure, it doesn't quite appear to have the FPL look. Tough to tell through the packaging. It's close if it's not. The T & Y sure do look like the correct markers though. Gandyjai is right, check for doubling.
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, burst my bubble!

    It has to have a DDR to be "Peg Leg"?

    Let me get scans of the "TY" and post them.



    S
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    I thought the weak left side "T" and the matching weak left side "Y" were indicators of the FPL. Also, I do not notice DDR on the reverse.

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    S
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    It looks like an FPL to me LaMont!

    You just keep racking up the big scores!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    BTW, the FPL is a DDO-007.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    Back to being confused again...

    I do not see DDO on the coin either.



    S
  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    2nd set of pics are a lot closer than the first...might lean towards DDO-007 but without doubling?image
    Leg has more of an SPL look than an FPL look.....Maybe an EDS FPL?
    Hard to say without being in hand.

    Any abrasion at all in any of the usual "spots"?

    Brian

    I Love image Variety & Error Ikes! image
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    No noticeable die abrasions in the usual spots.

    Both sides have a clean fields with some of the typical metal flow lines. There are some very small buffs in the wing and Earth field and in the Earth and EPU motto field but they have a frosted over appearance.

    Front side has a prooflike appearance.

    V/R



    Sumdunce
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, burst my bubble!

    It has to have a DDR to be "Peg Leg"?

    Let me get scans of the "TY" and post them.

    S >>



    To further confuse you LaMont, the DDR being referred to is in reference to the Straight PegLeg (SPL) 1971-S as all known coins of this variety have a DDR. That paticular DDR shows medium doubling on the L's of DOLLAR.

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    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭
    Those second set of picture look a little more clear. I would be comfortable calling that an early die state FPL.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    As a little side note when referring to die pairing, die's that were sent back to the die shop for repair or re-proofing were sent as pairs but there are not guarantees that the same pair would be mated on their return.

    With that in mind, some die markers on certain DDO and DDR coins, could effectively be eliminated after the first or second time through the die shop.

    This is of particular importance when looking at DDO and DDR coins in that the low parts of the die can become worn but rarely repaired since it would create high points on the coin. The Talon Head IKE is an excellent example of this. To remove the "talon" would have created a huge boil on IKE's head!

    Therefore, die marker that on on high points of the coin can become obliterated after enough times in use and enough visits to the repair shop.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It sure looks like a FPL to me. I would grade it a solid MS65 as well. I have seen alot worse in MS65 holders!

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    GrandAm :)
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    Well its all packaged up and will be off to PCGS tomorrow to get a FS-401 designation.

    There are some contact marks in the hair that I feel will keep it low, but I can always hope for a MS65. image

    V/R



    Sumdunce
  • Boothill40Boothill40 Posts: 780
    With all the recent Ike find posts as of late I'm thinking about opening up and searching all these five packs or maybe I should just repack them and wait.
    Edit for spelling.
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    Support your local gunslinger, you never know when you'll need him
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    *TWITCH*
    Boothill... and why exactly are those not opened?
    *TWITCH*



    S
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>*TWITCH*
    Boothill... and why exactly are those not opened?
    *TWITCH*



    S >>



    Houston! Sumdunce has a problem! image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • Boothill40Boothill40 Posts: 780
    Just haven't had the time to open and search all those sets.
    Support your local gunslinger, you never know when you'll need him
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    <<<Houston! Sumdunce has a problem!>>>

    Well the mailman helped solve the problem. He brought me my PCGS submission a MS64 1971-S/S in addition to a roll of 1971-S BS Ikes I got from feeBay.

    Should I mention that I now have another FPL from the feeBay roll? image



    S


    Edited to add clarity of shipments.
  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    Have you ever thought about possibly getting your rarer Silver Ike Varieties or errors
    slabbed and graded WITHOUT removing them from their original Mint-Sealed packs?
    Personally, I would think a rare variety or error would be much more valuable and desirable,
    if it was still in it's original mint-sealed pack....similar to this one:

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    Does any one know if PCGS offers a service like this for Mint-sealed Blue Ikes?
    NGC does, but does not recognize the FPL or SPL varieties. Frankly, I am not sure that PCGS
    will designate a 71-S SPL....just the FPL...Or, maybe they just call them both FS-401's?image

    Happy Hunting!
    Brian
  • ajbaumanajbauman Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭
    I bought a large collection a while back and it had about 15 of the brown Ike packs and 30 of the blue Ikes.

    Is there any good resources that I could consult to sort out Ike varieties and also find out what their approx. values are?
    Buying £2 Britannias
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I bought a large collection a while back and it had about 15 of the brown Ike packs and 30 of the blue Ikes.

    Is there any good resources that I could consult to sort out Ike varieties and also find out what their approx. values are? >>



    www.IKEGroup.org
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    It came back as an MS64 Silver Peg Leg FS-401 (PCGS).

    I really don't see any signs of DDO on this one.

    I checked it against the DDO-007 (the FPL listed) that is listed in The Authoritative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars and it is not match on any of the markers.

    I got an image of the "OD" from the IGWT motto since that seemed to be the place for the most noticable spread and there is nothing there.

    Maybe I missed something:
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    V/R



    Sumdunce
  • GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    Markers listed in the "Authoritative Reference Guide To Eisenhower Dollars" are FAR from
    being "set in stone". They do not account for dies being pulled for die-clash abrassion
    or re-treatments. Nor, does it account for the doubling, tripling (or more) getting "mushed out"
    as die life progresses...(ie 72-D Ikes) To mix things up even more....how about the Ike dies that are pulled for
    abrasion and re-treatment don't always get paired with the same die upon return to the production line.

    While die markers for rare varieties can be very helpful in many cases, they are not always accurate.
    While DDO and DDR markers are helpful as well, they can also be off due to later die life.

    Congrats on the 64 FPL!image

    Brian

    I Love image Error& Variety Ikes! image
  • ProofArtworkonCircsProofArtworkonCircs Posts: 4,223 ✭
    <<With all the recent Ike find posts as of late I'm thinking about opening up and searching all these five packs or maybe I should just repack them and wait.>>

    Are there any very early proof Ikes there? like mailed in Oct 1971?

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