My friend's 1847 Seated Half Cherrypick (large photos)

rhedden

This is an 1847 Seated half found by a friend of mine in a coin shop. Would any of you cherry pickers like to attribute it? Note the doubling on LIBERTY.

Cladiator

Cool reverse die state.

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Cladiator

<< <i>Note the doubling on the shield too. >>

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's normal.

JustaRookie

That's a very nice half. I'm not that familiar with the series however that is still one fine looking piece!

Edited to add that I am quite fond of die crack on the reverse.

skeeterhawk

Maybe a late die state WB102...........1847 RECUT OVER 1846.......Just a guess

rhedden

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's normal.



I think doubling on LIBERTY is NOT normal for this date. It is a diagnostic of something very rare...



Edited: 1847/6 Hmmm.... OK, now we're getting somewhere...

Cladiator

<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's normal.


I think doubling on LIBERTY is NOT normal for this date. It is a diagnostic of something very rare... >>

You missunderstand me. My "normal" comment was about the shield "doubling" which Realone mentioned (which I don't think is really doubling, I think it's intentional design). My comment was not directed towards the doubling of LIBERTY.

rhedden

My "normal" comment was about the shield "doubling"


Oh yes, that is normal, I understand. The doubled shield edge appears to be more than doubled on this one.

lasvegasteddy

1847 over 1846????

i see nothing there as to a recut or overdate

rhedden

I see nothing there as to a recut or overdate

Neither do I. Yet it seems that this is the WB-102 die marriage, which is the 1847/6. Anyone else want to confirm that or shoot it down?

The working hypothesis is that this is an WB-102 Late Die State, with the under-digits removed. The question then becomes, what is this thing worth compared to an 1847/6 with the under-digits visible?

Southcounty

rhedden-

I was waiting to see if you got more of a response on this issue from some of the other collectors.

I do believe that you are correct on your assessment of the coin as a late die state of WB-102 the 1847 recut over the 1846. In fact on your large pictures you can still see the bottom of the 1 even in this late die state, but the 4 and 6 have been worn away. The date is also higher and more to the right than the other 47-Ps and displays the obverse double die characteristic.

There is an interesting article in Gobrecht Journal #75 on page 15 that outlines this variety. According to Bill and Randy's die numbering system your coin is their obverse 7 paired with their reverse G.

I think it should bring some premium as to price from a common 47-P but not a great deal and certainly not close to the early die state. I think Dick Osburn usually gives them a slight premium and points out that they are the poor mans 1847/6.

lathmach

This is the 1847/6 in a late die state. It's the early die state that's worth a bundle.
I thought I posted to this earlier, but I guess I didn't.

Ray

rhedden

I suspected that this was not going to be worth a large premium- as a phantom overdate without any digits visible. My friend will be somewhat disappointed, I think, though it is still better than a regular 1847. Thanks to everyone for the information.