1965 Topps Steve Carlton CSA to SGC Cross Over **GRADE IS IN!!! * UPDATE **** Not Good :o(

CardsForMS · September 30, 2008 12:39AM

Well, i sent off this card along with my Mike Kelly to SGC yesterday.. i should get the results by Friday.. i cracked it out of the slab before i sent it in.. it looks like it measures up pretty well to a regular card i had on hand

what do you think? let the bacshing begin!!

Stingray · September 30, 2008 12:43AM

It will come back what ever the SGC equivalent to a PSA 7.

nam812 · September 30, 2008 12:46AM

<< It will come back what ever the SGC equivalent to a PSA 7. >>

That's what I was thinking before I saw your reply. I believe the PSA 7 equivalent is an SGC 84.

VitoCo1972 · September 30, 2008 12:49AM

<< 

<< It will come back what ever the SGC equivalent to a PSA 7. >>

That's what I was thinking before I saw your reply. I believe the PSA 7 equivalent is an SGC 84. >>

correctomundo

cwazzy · September 30, 2008 1:09AM

I think it may come back trimmed. I don't like the left side.

Chris

stevek · September 30, 2008 1:24AM

I hate to agree but it does in my opinion look trimmed. I'd have to see the card in person to be 100% sure, but if there is any wear at all on that card, and from the scan it doesn't look like a mint card, then for sure those corners are not natural. Sorry again - I hope I'm wrong.

KbKards · September 30, 2008 1:36AM

As you look at card on screen it's wider at the top than the bottom. The left edge shows a tilted cut with the top border wider than at the bottom. The right edge shows no tilted cut with the top and bottom borders equal.

onebamafan · September 30, 2008 1:41AM

SGC 86........................

billwaltonsbeard · September 30, 2008 1:44AM

Recently, someone on here posted their opinion that SGC is on the same credibility level as PSA.

Anyone have additional thoughts on that?

VitoCo1972 · September 30, 2008 1:46AM

<< Recently, someone on here posted their opinion that SGC is on the same credibility level as PSA.

Anyone have additional thoughts on that? >>

I think they are on the same CREDIBILITY level...however their standards differ - particularly on centering.

cwazzy · September 30, 2008 1:58AM

<< Recently, someone on here posted their opinion that SGC is on the same credibility level as PSA.

Anyone have additional thoughts on that? >>

I would say they are actually better on pre-war stuff. At least that's what I've been told by pretty much anyone that collects pre-war cards. So yes. I'd say they are just as good.

Chris

MBMiller25 · September 30, 2008 8:43AM

I think the card is trimmed on the left side or bottom, based on your scan.

CardsForMS · October 1, 2008 1:16AM

Grade just came in... it got an..... SGC 92 NM/MT + (8.5) not bad for a $125 gamble

nam812 · October 1, 2008 1:27AM

<< I hate to agree but it does in my opinion look trimmed. I'd have to see the card in person to be 100% sure, but if there is any wear at all on that card, and from the scan it doesn't look like a mint card, then for sure those corners are not natural. Sorry again - I hope I'm wrong. >>

Nice gamble CardsForMS.

Good work following YOUR OWN instincts.

Edited to add: The laughing smiley is for negative Nelly's post that I quoted.

StopYurWhining · October 1, 2008 3:07AM

Congrats! and it will look good in that SGC holder

stevek · October 1, 2008 4:55AM

<< 

<< I hate to agree but it does in my opinion look trimmed. I'd have to see the card in person to be 100% sure, but if there is any wear at all on that card, and from the scan it doesn't look like a mint card, then for sure those corners are not natural. Sorry again - I hope I'm wrong. >>

Nice gamble CardsForMS.

Good work following YOUR OWN instincts.

Edited to add: The laughing smiley is for negative Nelly's post that I quoted. >>

"Negative Nelly" - Nam you really are a funny guy.

I clearly stated "I hope I'm wrong" and I'm glad the buyer made out great.

Hope the buyer posts a scan of the SGC card when available.

CardsForMS · October 1, 2008 4:59AM

scan will be posted when i get teh cards back. most likely next monday

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:00AM

<< scan will be posted when i get teh cards back. most likely next monday >>

Congrats on a nice score!

nam812 · October 1, 2008 5:01AM

<< Congrats on a nice score!

>>

And you were wrong. Dont forget that part.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:03AM

<< 

<< Congrats on a nice score!

>>

And you were wrong. Dont forget that part. >>

The times I'm wrong are memorable, the times you're right are memorable.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:04AM

<< 

<< 

<< Congrats on a nice score!

>>

And you were wrong. Dont forget that part. >>

The times I'm wrong are memorable, the times you're right are memorable. >>

Now don't get huffy and start crying...it was only a joke.

nam812 · October 1, 2008 5:07AM

<< The times I'm wrong are memorable....... >>

But that does not make them any less frequent. Nothing better than a big mouth proved wrong.

Congrats to the OP once again.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:14AM

<< 

<< The times I'm wrong are memorable....... >>

But that does not make them any less frequent. Nothing better than a big mouth proved wrong.

Congrats to the OP once again. >>

"Big Mouth" - You really are a funny guy.

lsutigers1973 · October 1, 2008 5:14AM

If CDsnutz is always right, then nam is always right because they are the same person.

Where's the pic of the kid stirring the pot?

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:16AM

I think Lee is Nam's idol. Nam's probably got pictures of Lee plastered all over his room.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:17AM

<< I think Lee is Nam's idol. Nam's probably got pictures of Lee plastered all over his room.

>>

Along with a statue of Lee.

lsutigers1973 · October 1, 2008 5:18AM

<< Nam's probably got pictures of Lee plastered all over his room. >>

My wife has naked pictures of nam hanging over her side of the bed.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:23AM

<< 

<< Nam's probably got pictures of Lee plastered all over his room. >>

My wife has naked pictures of nam hanging over her side of the bed. >>

"naked pictures of nam"

now that's gotta be one butt ugly picture.

CDsNuts · October 1, 2008 5:26AM

I love how I get dragged into threads before I even see them.

stevek · October 1, 2008 5:28AM

The score is Stevek 3, Nam 2, with Nam coming to bat.

onebamafan · October 1, 2008 6:08AM

<< Grade just came in... it got an..... SGC 92 NM/MT + (8.5) not bad for a $125 gamble >>

Congrats..........!

CardsForMS · October 1, 2008 7:26AM

well, the card was pulled from the population report.. i emailed to find out why, and in the "Proofing" stage it was rejected due to trimming on the right side near the names... but i did confirm the Mike Kelly is a 30 Good.

BunchOBull · October 1, 2008 7:32AM

Looks like the perfect card for an autograph experience.

BunchOBull · October 1, 2008 7:33AM

I never saw this thread originally...that's a heck of a trim job, but the looking at the back, it's more obvious. Bummer.

stevek · October 1, 2008 7:54AM

<< well, the card was pulled from the population report.. i emailed to find out why, and in the "Proofing" stage it was rejected due to trimming on the right side near the names... but i did confirm the Mike Kelly is a 30 Good. >>

Sorry for the result - It of course would have been a nice score.

Bottom line - You learn from it and whenever you see a card such as this on ebay or anywhere, the question has to be asked why the card isn't already in a PSA or SGC holder whereby the seller would get many hundreds of dollars more for the card. You didn't post the auction or seller unless I missed it, but you should analyze the seller before bothering to even analyze the scan - the sellers intentions and tendencies usually say much if not all of what you need to know.

Mphilking · October 1, 2008 7:57AM

Congrats on the Carlton!
I personally like SGC for vintage stuff, they seem to be a bit more lenient on centering, but I think tougher on corners and edges.

WinPitcher · October 1, 2008 8:31AM

Damn sorry to hear that. maybe resubmit it?

To PSA, SGC could be wrong.

Steve

44Magnum · October 1, 2008 8:45AM

<< in the "Proofing" stage it was rejected due to trimming on the right side >>

Good to hear at least some grading companies are double checking their work!

stevek · October 1, 2008 8:48AM

<< Damn sorry to hear that. maybe resubmit it?

To PSA, SGC could be wrong.

Steve >>

Steve - My guess is that it likely already had been submitted to PSA by the seller.

1965 Topps Steve Carlton CSA to SGC Cross Over ****GRADE IS IN!!! *** UPDATE **** Not Good :o(

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1965 Topps Steve Carlton CSA to SGC Cross Over **GRADE IS IN!!! * UPDATE **** Not Good :o(