<< <i>Brett had a great run from 1979 to 1985. He was not that great otherwise, over rated actually.
Joe >>
Joe, thanks for the laugh. In the years you excluded, he won two batting titles, led the league in hits twice, led the league in triples twice, and led the league in doubles once.
I watched Mr. Brett destroy Twins pitching for years, however I think your being a Royals fan does cloud your judgement a bit. As a high average hitter he finished with a lifetime BA of .305 that's not too impressive, he averaged just under 20 HR a year, not good enough to be a power hitter. I would call him a very well rounded player who had a tremendous run of 6 years, several other above average years and a bunch of OK years.
Would rate him in the top 10 for sure, not sure he cracks the top 5. Schmidt and Mathews are definitely 1 and 2, Robinson's good hitting and unbelievable fielding gets him #3, I exclude ARoid, Killebrew played a lot of third and I (being a Twins fan) would also put his tremendous power above George at third. I guess he is in my top 5.
No way he was as good as Schmidt though, not even close.
Joe
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I watched Mr. Brett destroy Twins pitching for years, however I think your being a Royals fan does cloud your judgement a bit. As a high average hitter he finished with a lifetime BA of .305 that's not too impressive, he averaged just under 20 HR a year, not good enough to be a power hitter. I would call him a very well rounded player who had a tremendous run of 6 years, several other above average years and a bunch of OK years.
Would rate him in the top 10 for sure, not sure he cracks the top 5. Schmidt and Mathews are definitely 1 and 2, Robinson's good hitting and unbelievable fielding gets him #3, I exclude ARoid, Killebrew played a lot of third and I (being a Twins fan) would also put his tremendous power above George at third. I guess he is in my top 5.
No way he was as good as Schmidt though, not even close.
Joe >>
Thats fine. I would put George at No. 1, ahead of Schmidt since George had 104 more extra base hits than Schmidt(not bad for a high average hitter) and more RBI's. Also, Mike Schmidt struck out way too much and even for a power hitter his average was low. And Schmidt couldn't rise to the occasion like Brett, as pmcollector posted their postseason numbers. Which do matter, by the way, despite what the academia on this board say.
The reasons I would rate Schmidt higher are as follows: 1. Despite a considerably lower batting average, Schmidt actually has a better on base percentage than Brett (.380 to .369). 2. OPS+ Brett has an excellent lifetime rating of 135. Certainly HOF worthy. Schmidt's is even better at 147. There are players that call a 147 season their "career year" and Schmidt had it as his "career career". 3. Defense. Brett was a very good third baseman. Better than most. Schmidt was an amazing defensive third baseman. We can debate whether Gold gloves are legit or not, but Schmidt won ten of them at a time when Darrell Evans was in the National League during most of that stretch.
"George had 104 more extra base hits than Schmidt. "
Yes and he had 1,563 more plate appearances as well. Schmidt averaged 69 extra base hits a year to Brett's 67. Schmidt also beat Brett in RBI's by 9 per year on average.
Schmidt's walks cancel out his strikeouts, and as already mentioned his OPB was higher!
You have a point in that Brett performed very well in the post season.
If the question was posed "Who was the best post season 3rd baseman of all time", I would give the nod to Brett. That was not the question.
Joe
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Exactly. Small sample size. If we go by postseason, we could reasonably conclude that Lou Brock is the greatest player in the history of baseball. His stats in three World Series are insane. Projected over a 162 game season, Brock would have a .391 batting average, 263 hits, .424 OBP, 31 Homers, 100 RBI's (from the leadoff position), 123 Runs scored, 108 Stolen Bases, and 15 Triples. I give Brock kudos for having three excellent Series. But, to use that and compare him to say, Ted Williams (who had only one shot and didn't perform that well) is silly. When you start to see someone with a large sample size like Derek Jeter, you can see that Jeter has lifetime postseason numbers that are relatively close to his lifetime regular season numbers. I would expect that if Brock had played 2-3 rounds of playoffs for 10-15 years, his numbers would have been close to the Lou Brock we know. Same for Ted Williams. And the same goes for Mike Schmidt, George Brett, and yes... even Mickey Hatcher.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I don't know about Brett vs Schmidt, but I think Skin may set the all time record for most user names in CU history, presently held by Axtell, LOL..
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<< <i>Brett had a great run from 1979 to 1985. He was not that great otherwise, over rated actually.
Joe >>
Joe, thanks for the laugh. In the years you excluded, he won two batting titles, led the league in hits twice, led the league in triples twice, and led the league in doubles once.
I watched Mr. Brett destroy Twins pitching for years, however I think your being a Royals fan does cloud your judgement a bit. As a high average hitter he finished with a lifetime BA of .305 that's not too impressive, he averaged just under 20 HR a year, not good enough to be a power hitter. I would call him a very well rounded player who had a tremendous run of 6 years, several other above average years and a bunch of OK years.
Would rate him in the top 10 for sure, not sure he cracks the top 5. Schmidt and Mathews are definitely 1 and 2, Robinson's good hitting and unbelievable fielding gets him #3, I exclude ARoid, Killebrew played a lot of third and I (being a Twins fan) would also put his tremendous power above George at third. I guess he is in my top 5.
No way he was as good as Schmidt though, not even close.
Joe
<< <i>Thought you might enjoy a little jab.
I watched Mr. Brett destroy Twins pitching for years, however I think your being a Royals fan does cloud your judgement a bit. As a high average hitter he finished with a lifetime BA of .305 that's not too impressive, he averaged just under 20 HR a year, not good enough to be a power hitter. I would call him a very well rounded player who had a tremendous run of 6 years, several other above average years and a bunch of OK years.
Would rate him in the top 10 for sure, not sure he cracks the top 5. Schmidt and Mathews are definitely 1 and 2, Robinson's good hitting and unbelievable fielding gets him #3, I exclude ARoid, Killebrew played a lot of third and I (being a Twins fan) would also put his tremendous power above George at third. I guess he is in my top 5.
No way he was as good as Schmidt though, not even close.
Joe >>
Thats fine. I would put George at No. 1, ahead of Schmidt since George had 104 more extra base hits than Schmidt(not bad for a high average hitter) and more RBI's. Also, Mike Schmidt struck out way too much and even for a power hitter his average was low. And Schmidt couldn't rise to the occasion like Brett, as pmcollector posted their postseason numbers. Which do matter, by the way, despite what the academia on this board say.
1. Despite a considerably lower batting average, Schmidt actually has a better on base percentage than Brett (.380 to .369).
2. OPS+ Brett has an excellent lifetime rating of 135. Certainly HOF worthy. Schmidt's is even better at 147. There are players that call a 147 season their "career year" and Schmidt had it as his "career career".
3. Defense. Brett was a very good third baseman. Better than most. Schmidt was an amazing defensive third baseman. We can debate whether Gold gloves are legit or not, but Schmidt won ten of them at a time when Darrell Evans was in the National League during most of that stretch.
Yes and he had 1,563 more plate appearances as well. Schmidt averaged 69 extra base hits a year to Brett's 67. Schmidt also beat Brett in RBI's by 9 per year on average.
Schmidt's walks cancel out his strikeouts, and as already mentioned his OPB was higher!
You have a point in that Brett performed very well in the post season.
If the question was posed "Who was the best post season 3rd baseman of all time", I would give the nod to Brett. That was not the question.
Joe
Joe
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