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1972 Ike DDO - Can't find it in the book
Windycity
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This DDO 1972 Ike is not shown in "The Authorative Reference on Eisenhower Dollars." Anyone familiar with this DDO?
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If I remember correctly, the Ike Group has found through their research that there is 6x doubling (yes six doublings) on the 1972 master die, and that all resulting production dies have this doubling. Die wear and abrasion, strike pressure, etc is what caused all the other apparent DDO's.
The authors of the Authoritative Reference were not aware of this, and is why they identified so many different DDO varieties.
Rob, can you chime in?
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Looks to be in LDS (?) which means the multiple doubling of the upper serif of the "1" won't show, nor will the tripling/quad show on IGWT.
I am not privy to Wexler's catalog of Ike DD's and even their second edition is way out of date so I don't know if Wexler has reported this DDO.
Judging from Wiles' decriptions of his 72 CB DDO's I don't think he has reported it either, at least not as of his Ike DD listings on CONECA's web site.
Needless to say, I'd love to have this Ike in hand to photograph! Rob
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Holy cow this is coool! Rob
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<< <i>Uhm - call me blind but I just can't see any doubling in any of those pics.
OK..............you are blind!
The Eisenhower Series has a lot of LDS DDO's which take some getting used to but if your a TradeDollarNut, none of them will ever be good enough for you.
Personally, after looking at all the VAM Morgan and Peace Dollars that are out there, I've grown to appreciate each and everyone of these IKE's and am moving ahead with identifying as many as I can locate.
The name is LEE!
My, that's even more impressive than the 1914/3 buffalo nickel.
<< <i>Uhhh - okayyyyy. With a little imagination, perhaps.
My, that's even more impressive than the 1914/3 buffalo nickel.
Why the negativity?
The name is LEE!
You indirectly make a good point, there are way too many cataloged minor hub-doubled Ikes, but this is not minor doubling.
Lee, thanks for your blow-up, well the pictures anyway, LOL
Rob
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Uhm.... ok.
There are many of these "minor" DDO's but they are still considered DDO's.
The series does have some Major DDO and DDR coins but far fewer than their minor counterparts.
Typical locations to look for serif splits are in the R of LIBERTY and in the Motto. For Rotated Hub Doubling, the splits will be somewhat consistent around the outer edges of the coin based on the pivot point for the rotation. These usualy account for the major DDO coins.
Far more typical in the series are the distorted hub doubling which again shows up in the motto but will have no consistency in spread at all. Some of these are really trivial.
For the 1972 coins, current speculation is that there was a master hub that was doubled thereby making all the dies produced from it DDO's. On fresh dies, the doubling is obvious but again depending upon the degree of spread. Since the copper nickel planchets were so hard, die deterioration occured rather quickly and as a result the designs along with any doubling would mush into the background.
On the coin in the OP, I can see some LDS splits on the base and the center point of the W in the motto. The 7 shows some activity but its not really clear from the photo. The R of LIBERTY shows a distinct separation on that lower right serif as pointed out earlier and the last photo I imagine is the upside down I of LIBERTY which shows a nice separation consistent with the R (the lower right serif).
Given the hardness of the planchets, the size of the planchets and the relatively mushiness of IKE strikes, you do have to look very closely to identify some of these coins but once you know what to look for, they become relatively easy to spot.
A lot easier to spot than some of the misplaced dates on some of the classic coinage.
The name is LEE!
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When I started collecting IKE's, (and the IKE Group can back this up) I couldn't spot a doubled die to save my life! I was always bugging them, "Is this a Doubled Die?", "How about this one?". They'd always reply back, "Nope, Strike Doubling!". Eventually, I stumbled across some doubled dies but since they were not too dramatic, I continued my search. Withe each coin I looked at, I learned more and more about what to look for. I think my big break through came with the DDR Friendly Eagle Varieties. After that, it became relatively easy to spot these.
Now, nearly every Proof IKE I see has some form of doubling on it. For example, all the 1973-S Proofs have a doubled A and R on the reverse. Every one of them! Seeing this though, took me a long long time though.
My entire point being, if you do not "really" look at a lot of Eisenhower Dollars and I mean REALLY, REALLY LOOK, you'll never be able to spot one of these because you'll never know what should be there and what should NOT be there. You'll never become familiar with Late Die States, MID Die States or Early Die States. You'll never get familiar enough with the design to get past the "Oh thats pretty!" or the "Oh thats ugly" stage in looking at these coins.
Its as simple as that.
The name is LEE!