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Any fans of the American Basketball Association here? If so, what players and teams did you like bes

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
If you are under 45 your probably have no idea what I am talking about, so............................ maybe some older hoop fans will chime in.

My favorite ABA players were Dr. J. Moses Malone, David Thompson, Spencer Haywood, George Gervin, Dan Issel, to name a few. My favorite team was the Denver Rockets (since I grew up there).

In 1974 (Xmas break) I watched the Denver Rockets play the Utah Stars in Denver. David Thompson (Luke Skywalker) was a rookie for the Rockets and Moses Malone was a rookie for Utah. Thompson played the whole game and was phenomenal 30+ points with lots of drive to the hoop with slam dunks. However, Moses was unbelievable. He only played about 1/2 of the game. 19 years old, 6'10" and a skinny kid. His stats were 35 points and 23 rebounds. Unstoppable he was. He shot from anywhere. He rebounded. He dribbled coast to coast.

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Geeze, I can see that this thread is got to top 100,..................................in about,....................NEVERimage
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    When I was a kid, we used to go the Tampa Bay Thrillers' games. They were part of the CBA, Continental Basketball Association.

    They were back to back champs in 84 and 85. They actually won 3 champs in a row but the third was after they moved out of the state.

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  • calaban7calaban7 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭
    Dr. J was a show all by himself. Really belonged on the Globetrotters, with his ability. Great ball skills , with killer showboating to boot. I loved to watch him do his stuff.

    David Thompson had one of the greatest vertical leaps of anyone that I can remember. I think he went to N.C. State. He used to take quarters off the top of the back boards, just to show off.

    The crazy looking ball. The crazy players. A real game for the fans.
    " In a time of universal deceit , telling the truth is a revolutionary act " --- George Orwell
  • You had to love a league that allowed Skeeter Swift to play professionally.
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I liked the San Diego Conquistadors. Their best player was Caldwell Jones (later went to the 76ers when the ABA folded). We got robbed by Jack Kent Cooke of the Lakers when he sued to keep Wilt Chamberlain from playing for the Q's image

    My favorite non-Q's were Dr. J and Artis Gilmore.


    Steve
  • JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭
    If you are a fan of the ABA, then you have to read this STORY about the Silna brothers and the Spirits of St. Louis. What a deal!

    /s/ JackWESQ

    The TV Deal the NBA Wishes It Had Not Made
    By Jonathan Abrams
    July 31, 2006 in print edition D-1

    Roughly once a month, the NBA cuts 31 checks to NBA teams as revenue from its multibillion-dollar national television contract.

    There are only 30 NBA franchises, so who gets the extra check?

    The money goes to brothers Ozzie and Dan Silna, co-owners of the long-forgotten ABA team, the Spirits of St. Louis.

    Thirty years ago, Ozzie Silna, with attorney Donald Schupak, negotiated a deal that cleared the way for the ABA to merge with the NBA. It ranks as one of the best sports deals in modern times, one that has paid the Silnas about $168 million and continues to pay off.

    “I would have loved to have an NBA team,” said Ozzie Silna, 73, a Malibu resident and environmental activist. “But if I look at it retrospectively over what I would have gotten, versus what I’ve received now, then I’m a happy camper.”

    Part of the Silnas’ deal called for them to receive one-seventh of the annual TV revenue from each of the four ABA teams entering the NBA. The deal turned out to be so lucrative that several NBA teams have tried to break it, without success.

    “We honor the deal,” said Donnie Walsh, the Indiana Pacers’ chief executive. “I can’t say we haven’t met and tried to settle it. But it’s the greatest deal known to man. What more can you say?”

    The key line in the Silnas’ TV contract that makes NBA executives cringe reads: “The right to receive such revenues shall continue for as long as the NBA or its successors continues in its existence.”

    In other words, the deal lasts as long as the NBA does.

    Another key component is that Silna, anticipating the NBA expanding, capped the brothers’ portion of shared television revenue at a maximum of 28 teams. The other NBA teams share their revenue among all 30 teams.

    The Silnas’ contract stands ironclad, despite occasional court challenges. Harry Weltman, former general manager of the Spirits, argued to the Supreme Court in 1991 that he was entitled to a share of the revenue to no avail.

    Still, the four ABA teams now in the NBA – the Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New Jersey Nets (formerly the New York Nets) and San Antonio Spurs – have spent plenty in legal fees searching for wiggle room out of the Silnas’ contract.

    “I think nearly every single attorney and sports executive from those four franchises has taken a look at the deal to see if they can break it,” said Gary Hunter, a former Nuggets executive. “I’ve yet to talk to anybody who can say it can be broken. Every year, when it came down to take a look at the budgeting process we would all just shake our heads.”

    Three decades ago when the Silnas struck their deal, the renegade ABA, known for its red-white-and-blue ball, three-point shots and star Julius Erving, was struggling financially.

    In 1976 the ABA reached a merger deal with the NBA. The NBA agreed to take four of the six teams from the dismantling ABA. The Spirits and the Kentucky Colonels were not invited to join the league. However, the ABA owners needed to reach unanimous approval for the merger to take place.

    John Y. Brown, owner of the Kentucky Colonels, quickly accepted a $3.3-million buyout as compensation. That deal was also offered to the Silnas.

    But Ozzie Silna kept haggling for more, and he finally reached a deal in a swank Massachusetts hotel room. The Silnas would get $3 million, plus a share of the TV revenue from the four teams entering the NBA.

    “When we accepted the arrangement, the big thing was that the NBA had television” and the ABA didn’t, said Silna. “But still, the TV revenue was minuscule compared with baseball and the NFL.”

    Initially, the contract netted the Silnas about $300,000 a year as the NBA struggled with spotty attendance and weak TV ratings until the ’80s, when Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Michael Jordan catapulted the league to a higher profile.

    As the NBA’s popularity rose, so did the league’s TV contract and the Silnas’ cut. For the NBA’s last contract, they averaged $15 million a year.

    “The process never even entered our minds of how high it would get,” Ozzie Silna said. “We just wanted a piece of the action.”

    They are due an even larger jackpot from the NBA’s current contract, which began in 2002. That six-year, $4.6-billion deal with ABC/ESPN and TNT could earn them upward of $24 million annually, according to Silna.

    Without having to dole out salaries or money on stadium leases, the Silnas earn more each season than most NBA teams.

    Silna is quick to point out that today’s NBA teams are worth hundreds of millions. Indeed, the Lakers are worth $529 million, and the lowly New Orleans Hornets are valued at $225 million, according to Forbes.

    The irony is that Ozzie Silna said he never thought the Spirits would be one of the ABA teams that folded.

    The Silnas, who originally earned their money as textile manufacturers, purchased the North Carolina franchise and moved it to St. Louis in 1974. The colorful team featured future NBA players Marvin Barnes, Maurice Lucas and Moses Malone and young radio announcer Bob Costas.

    Attendance stagnated in the team’s second year, and it soon became apparent the Spirits would not survive the impending merger. In all, the Silnas spent about $5 million on the Spirits.

    In 1982, after several years of cashing TV checks, the Silnas came close to accepting a new buyout. The NBA offered them $5 million over eight years, but the Silnas countered with a demand of $8 million over five.

    The league balked at that number, so the Silnas have kept cashing in.
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  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
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  • Artis Gilmore from Chicago. Dan Issell and David Thompson from Denver. I mostly remember the Nets, with Dr. J, Williamson,
    and a few others. I loved the red, white, and blue ball they used.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember the St. Louis Spirits. They previously wer the Carolina Cougars.

    Marvin Barnes played for the Spirits. His nickname was "Bad News Barnes" He was very talented but crazy.

    Apparently he got very angry with one of his teammates during practice. So angry in fact that he left practice, wnet to his car, got a tire iron, came back into practice and went after his teammate with the tire iron.

    He got suspended for that incident. I have no clue what became of him.
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    Awesome story Jack!
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