Over polished die on a Jefferson nickel type question. (images added)

sumdunce

I have a few 1967 nickels that the IGWT motto has been abraded. The top of the "W" in "WE" is gone. The inner serif on the "G" in "GOD" is gone. The top of the "O" and the top of the "D" in "GOD" has been visibly retooled in an attempt to make the die more presentable. The field between the motto and portrait has severe die abrasion lines. All are in ANACS holders and are in the MS64-MS65 range.

Are these worth getting a variety designation and if so what source would designate them?

Any help is greatly appreciated.



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PerryHall

Is this an overpolished die or a late die state with extreme die wear? More likely the later with no added value. Got any pics?

sumdunce

I will post pictures later today.

This one is a die clash that a mint employee attempted to fix that left a "weak motto" effect.

Give me a couple of hours to get the images.



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SilverEagles92

Could also be struck through grease?

sumdunce

Let me hurry up and get the images up.

I have struck through grease coins and know the effect. This one is a die clash repair.

Check back in about 15 minutes as I need to struggle with the scanner to see if I can capture the images.



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sumdunce

Here are the images.

Generic shot showing encapsulated coin.


Closer shot still head up.


Side shot trying to show motto details.


Other side to emphasize motto to liberty text depth.

I couldn't really capture the retooling that was done on the "OD", but this last image does sort of show it.

There may not be enough missing to make it a premium, but it seems to be more worked on than others (like "Peg Leg" Ikes) that do qualify for a variety designation.



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Edited to add retooling comment.

sumdunce

How about "Decapitated W" for a type. Sorry, was in an alliteration sort of mood.

Does anyone have a place that may designate such coins?



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FullStepJeffs

IMHO, if you get a designation from PCGS or any other TPG service on a date that is known for the fact the master hub was almost obliterated which caused most, if not all, of the known coins looking very weakly struck, more power to you.

The Jefferson Nickel Analyst by Nagengast states "The regular issue 1967 is the last coin produced with the original unmodified reverse of 1940, and by now the master hub was very worn. Most 1967's do not have very sharp detail, and five full step coins are quite rare, and will exhibit very shallow steps."

So, if you get a TPG to annotate this, please let me know... I probably have a few of these out of the hoard I own.

Good Luck!

Steve

Type2

This is one of mine I looked at a lot to find this one.

sumdunce

This is the result from a clashed die that a mint employee attempted to repair and in doing so removed a good portion of the IGWT motto which subsequently they "fixed" the "OD" of "GOD" but neglected to fix the "W" in "WE". The reverse of all five examples of these that I have show various states of decay of the transfer image on the reverse.

Overview of the reverse of the coin scanned at angle to show the clashed portion of the chin just above the Monticello. The transfer image is just above the roofline above the "M" in "MONTICELLO".


About as close up as I can get on my scanner and still stay within the image size rules for uploading.


Anyway, that is why I believe this is an overpolished die that has IGWT portions missing and a good deal of it barely there.



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sumdunce

If you look at Type2s example there is no weakness in the IGWT motto.



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sumdunce

If you hold the coin in the right angle you can see faint remnants of the top of collar and the lapel too on the reverse.

The obverse has been scrubbed very hard and it appears all the transfer image there has been removed.



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FullStepJeffs

Sumdunce,

Can you please tell me where you got this info concerning the mint employee... I'm not arguing against you, just trying to find out.

BTW, I own two of the 67's in MS66 PCGS plastic. I bought both already graded after looking through a few thousand coins. You get this done, which I think is still a very, very slim possibility and I guess I'll have to go through them again.

Thanks!

Steve

sumdunce

<<<Can you please tell me where you got this info concerning the mint employee... I'm not arguing against you, just trying to find out.>>>

I am speculating about what happened based on what I can see still on the coin, what appears to have been done to the die, and mental comparisons to other die clashes I have seen before.

I am not an expert on Jefferson nickels and therefore started this thread to see if I could get information about where to send one or all five to get the details about this coin sorted out.

I had found a 1944 DDO Lincoln in 2005 which I sent off to John Wexler and it is now the WDDO-017 variant. Mr. Wexler even submitted an article about the cent to Coin World (June 20, 2005, page 80).

I was hoping to be able to do the same on this one but I really cannot find a source to do the variety verification.



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Edited to add Coin World reference.