A question for SC$ collectors......................
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One of the listing groups that I chase after are the Liberty Bell Dollars, but my question pertains to quite a few of the pre-1900 listings which were holed for suspension and are IMHO listed as "holed as issued" or some other misnomer. So here's the question: Do you place a premium on unholed medals which are generally found with a hole???
Al H.
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Edited to add: Same for looped/unlooped specimens. I recently saw an unlooped HK-655b, which is one type that I wasn't sure even existed unlooped, until I saw this one. The owner wouldn't sell, though...
or any other distraction added to the medal itself.
Camelot
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<< <i>It really depends. In general, I'd say yes, I try to find unholed pieces but don't necessarily pass on holed pieces. However, if I find them on an original ribbon, I'll grab them as fast as I can. >>
Agree.
And to expound a little further, it really depends on the quality of the hole. Some are horrific-others barely noticeable.
Or the quality of the repair removing a clasp when a presentation piece was presented with one.
to me, they're sort of like Love Tokens-----the better quality pieces are quite nice but still not what was intended for the host coin.
BTW, i collect unholed Liberty Bell Dollars and have a few. they tend to be quite rare from what i see, either the large or small bell examples.
<< <i>i just don't care for a holde piece no matter what the hole looks like. also, my contention is that the "holing" is in essence damage and the fact that unholed examples exist is proof enough for me that the "as made" insistence is a line of BS. the holes are added after the piece is made to facilitate suspension, almost certainly not the way they were intended.
to me, they're sort of like Love Tokens-----the better quality pieces are quite nice but still not what was intended for the host coin.
BTW, i collect unholed Liberty Bell Dollars and have a few. they tend to be quite rare from what i see, either the large or small bell examples. >>
Al, in many of these cases, I'd say that you have it backwards. There are certainly many pieces that we see usually holed, but rare to find unholed. My guess is that the medals were made to be hanging medals but some either weren't needed to meet that need, were kept as examples by the minter, or could have been sold either way, as would be my guess with the Liberty Bell medals. That's not to say that this is the case in all examples. Certainly there are some where you find them holed but the likelihood of them being issued holed is unlikely.
There is a medal, doesn't qualify for SCD status, but is about the same size, that is usually found holed, but not impossible to find unholed. Turns out that the design actually has a dot to where the hole is supposed to be punched (or drilled).
<< <i>There is a medal, doesn't qualify for SCD status, but is about the same size, that is usually found holed, but not impossible to find unholed. Turns out that the design actually has a dot to where the hole is supposed to be punched (or drilled) >>
HK-128 is an example of this, and has a good picture in the book showing the marked-but-undrilled hole.