GROUP SUBMIT

hockeyguy

For some of you guys that are pals & trust each other,
have you ever thought of doing a large,
once every 6 months or so, GROUP card submission ?

Never know what could happen to grades, with those large orders

You do it with Box breaks from BBCE, why not PSA ?
At least once, you could save up all the cards that you wanted graded

Just a thought

Leiascards

I have done it in the past. PSA really does not like you doing it, but there is nothing they can really do to stop it.

hockeyguy

<< <i>PSA really does not like you doing it >>



How come ?

thedutymon

Good Day,
I already submit hundreds each month under the Bulk submission. Have 5 different subs in the pipeline right now, what exactly do you think would be the advantage of this, work a Verbal deal with Joe on say 1000? For a lower per item price? Some other advantage???
Neil

lawnmowerman

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<< <i>PSA really does not like you doing it >>



How come ? >>



I'm not sure about that answer either.

One guy is sending the large sub in under his account # . As fas as PSA knows, the cards are only his.

There is no they would know any different. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter either.

hockeyguy

<< <i>Good Day,
I already submit hundreds each month under the Bulk submission. Have 5 different subs in the pipeline right now, what exactly do you think would be the advantage of this, work a Verbal deal with Joe on say 1000? For a lower per item price? Some other advantage???
Neil >>




Ok, I guess you are not in :-)

mtcards

The reason PSA does not want you doing this is simple (Using old sub sheets I have)

10 people - 10 cards each ($100 per person/$10 card) = $1000 in grading fees
10 people sending in same cards in one submission ($60 per person/$6 card) = $600 in grading fees


Simple economics, doing it in a group cost them $400 for the same work

drewsef

<< <i>The reason PSA does not want you doing this is simple (Using old sub sheets I have)

10 people - 10 cards each ($100 per person/$10 card) = $1000 in grading fees
10 people sending in same cards in one submission ($60 per person/$6 card) = $600 in grading fees


Simple economics, doing it in a group cost them $400 for the same work >>



That is flawed thinking. Some of those 10 people certainly wouldn't join and pay $99 to send in 10 cards. And besides, if they did, the $6 special this month has no minimum quantity required, so they would still be paying $6 per card.

mtcards

How is that flawed thinking?

Plus we are talking in generalities, not considering monthly specials and not considering the $99 fee. The question is "why wouldnt PSA want you to do a group submission"? Can you think of another reason? Why doesnt ebay like you advertising non-ebay items on auctions? Same reason. It hurts their bottom line.

CDsNuts

I don't think PSA would have a problem with members forming a group submission. It's the circumvention of the $99 membership fee that they are worried about. Not only would that be taking money out of their pockets, but it would also somewhat marginalize the importance of being a PSA authorized dealer if a bunch of non-members were out there forming group submissions.

VitoCo1972

Ummm, that's why you do that kind of thing by PM or email...hint hint

I'm a member so it's of no importance to me

and I'm sorry this happened to you

drewsef

The only drawback of being an authorized dealer is they don't get the SMR or even the pop report for free, which makes little sense to me.

CDsNuts

That's funny, I didn't know that. That defies logic.

hockeyguy

The idea wasnt meant to avoid joining the membership (FEE), or to hurt PSA's bottom line. It came about, due to all the topics about big submitters, possible better grades, etc.

It was meant to be just as the WAX BOX BREAK was, something fun to do.

Anyway, nothing to get the panties in a bunch about ... pull them out :-)


I personally am kicking the idea around, about only submitting 1984 Fleer Updates.
Maybe everybody should submit just ONE line of cards from a certain year (set registry ?),
to avoid confusion, as to which card belongs to who

Just an idea

jimq112

Mostly when people talk about large submitters and better grades, they're talking about just a couple dealers.

Some speculate that those submitters use minimum grade on their subs. That means they select a min grade for each card they submit, like for instance on this 1990 leaf frank thomas if it doesn't get a 9 don't slab it. Maybe they get a price break for doing that (again 100% speculation). They pregrade before sending cards in, and if they don't feel it will get the right grade they dump it on ebay, maybe using a different name like oldenglishsportscards or something.

Have you done any subs yet? Most of us messed up the first few times with much higher expectations than reality. If you haven't sent in a sub yet then you REALLY need to do that first, before you do a large sub. You don't want to spend $1000+ on grading and find that you now have $500 worth of graded cards.

If you think you might get better grades by sending a group sub, what happens if you get a guy on a bad day, and get hundreds of undergraded cards? It works both ways sometimes

JackWESQ

<< <i>It's the circumvention of the $99 membership fee that they are worried about. >>



I think I've submitted all of < 10 cards in my lifetime to PSA. That said, I "circumvent" the $99 membership by submitting in person at PSA Public Fridays. The Public Fridays are held once a month and anybody is free to stop by their Santa Ana, California offices. Obviously, this is limited to those in the Southern Californnia area, but there are advantages. No S/H to PSA and depending on your submission (read: lots or expensives cards), they'll let you pick the cards up, e.g. no return S/H.

/s/ JackWESQ

P.S. And, of course, the entire grading process is quicker.