Need photos for Lincoln cent matte proof book
kevinj
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Working on a book just on Lincoln cent matte proofs.
Need a few photos which will greatly help in identifying, atributing,
learning more about Matte proofs.
I have all of the camera equipment to photograph.
Thanks
Kevin
Kevin Flynn
kevinjflynn88@yahoo.com
Need comparison photos of matte proof vs normal early business strike
1. edge of coin
2. rim of obverse and reverse
3. inside edge of coin
4. details in hair, beard, wheat
5. microscopic surfaces of field.
Detailed photos of die diagnostics
Have photos
1909 VDB
Obverse 1
Die polish shows on front of and on top of the nose.
Die scratch from the back of Lincoln’s coat going into the field below the right leg of the R of LIBERTY.
Obverse #2:
Two die scratches from back of coat going downward.
Thin die scratch running above the date.
Reverse #1: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip to right of M in UNUM.
Reverse #2: Combined with Obverse #2
Heavy die scratch from the R of AMERICA, up through the T of CENT, up to the right of N of ONE.
Die scratch to the right of T of CENT.
Die scratch from the M of UNUM to the E of ONE.
1909
Obverse #1: Same obverse die as 1909-VDB Obverse #1.
Die polish shows on front of and on top of the nose.
Die scratch from the back of Lincoln’s coat going into the field below the right leg of the R of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip at 3 and 9 o’clock, between the rim and wheat stalk on both sides.
Reverse #3: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip to the right of the right wheat stalk.
Die scratch from the A of AMERICA to the right wheat stem.
Die scratch from the lower E of AMERICA, through the R, up through the second T of STATES to the N of CENT.
1910
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through the WE and the T of TRUST.
Late Die State:
Die polish through the WE and the T of TRUST.
Die gouge through the US of TRUST.
Reverse #1:
Raised lines from lower part of the M in UNUM also appear on business strikes.
Die scratch from lower inside center of the M in UNUM.
1911
Obverse #1:
Die polish seen through date.
Die polish seen below the LIB of LIBERTY.
Extra Metal inside top of the Y of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through the AME of AMERICA.
Late Die State:
Die polish through the AME of AMERICA.
Die cracks through the top of the O of ONE.
1912
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through and above the date.
Die polish through the ERTY of LIBERTY.
Late Die State:
Die polish through and above the date.
Die polish through the ERTY of LIBERTY.
Die polish seen above TY.
Die polish seen through the first T of TRUST.
Die polish above the O of GOD.
Die polish to the right of the second T of TRUST.
1913
Obverse #1:
Die polish seen above the first 1 in date.
Die gouge through the N of IN.
Die polish through the G in GOD.
1914
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Small die chip above the first 1 in date.
Die polish above WE.
Die polish through LIBERTY.
Late Die State:
Small die chip above the first 1 in date.
Die polish above WE.
Die polish through LIBERTY.
Heavy die polish under chin in front of the tie.
Reverse #1
Die scratches through the RIBU of PLURIBUS.
1915
Obverse #1:
Die polish through IN GOD.
Die polish through TRUST.
Die polish below the RTY of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
1916
Obverse #1:
Die polish between 19 in date.
Die polish through WE and the UST of TRUST.
Obverse #2:
Small bump seen below the top of the 9.
A few small die scratches are seen running behind the head.
Reverse #1:
Die polish above PLURIBUS.
Reverse #2:
Doubled die reverse, extra thickness seen on the wheat stalks with splitting seen on the stems.
Die scratch from the S of PLURIBUS to the E of ONE.
Need photos of detailed diagnostics
1909
Obverse 2
Die crack from the rim at 7 o’clock through the bust of Lincoln.
Small die gouges on top of the L in LIBERTY.
Die polish through the TY in LIBERTY.
Obverse #3.
Die polish in front of nose.
Reverse #2:
Die polish around the O in ONE.
Die polish through and to the right of the E of CENT and the T of CENT.
Die polish below the A of AMERICA.
1910
Obverse #2:
Die polish to the left of and through WE.
Die gouge to the left of WE.
Die gouges above the N of IN and to the left of the G of GOD.
1911
Obverse #2:
Die scratches above first the 1 in date.
Reverse #2:
Die crack from rim at 2:30 through right wheat stalk.
1912
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
1913
Obverse #2:
Early Die State:
Die polish above date.
Die polish through and below LIBERTY and through IN GOD WE.
Late Die State:
Die polish at the bottom of first 1 and through the date.
Die scratch through the G of GOD and above GOD.
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
Reverse #2:
Early Die State:
Die polish through UNUM.
Die polish through the C and to the right of the N of CENT.
Late Die State:
Die polish to the right of the T on CENT.
Any coins which are not listed
Need a few photos which will greatly help in identifying, atributing,
learning more about Matte proofs.
I have all of the camera equipment to photograph.
Thanks
Kevin
Kevin Flynn
kevinjflynn88@yahoo.com
Need comparison photos of matte proof vs normal early business strike
1. edge of coin
2. rim of obverse and reverse
3. inside edge of coin
4. details in hair, beard, wheat
5. microscopic surfaces of field.
Detailed photos of die diagnostics
Have photos
1909 VDB
Obverse 1
Die polish shows on front of and on top of the nose.
Die scratch from the back of Lincoln’s coat going into the field below the right leg of the R of LIBERTY.
Obverse #2:
Two die scratches from back of coat going downward.
Thin die scratch running above the date.
Reverse #1: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip to right of M in UNUM.
Reverse #2: Combined with Obverse #2
Heavy die scratch from the R of AMERICA, up through the T of CENT, up to the right of N of ONE.
Die scratch to the right of T of CENT.
Die scratch from the M of UNUM to the E of ONE.
1909
Obverse #1: Same obverse die as 1909-VDB Obverse #1.
Die polish shows on front of and on top of the nose.
Die scratch from the back of Lincoln’s coat going into the field below the right leg of the R of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip at 3 and 9 o’clock, between the rim and wheat stalk on both sides.
Reverse #3: Combined with Obverse #1
Die chip to the right of the right wheat stalk.
Die scratch from the A of AMERICA to the right wheat stem.
Die scratch from the lower E of AMERICA, through the R, up through the second T of STATES to the N of CENT.
1910
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through the WE and the T of TRUST.
Late Die State:
Die polish through the WE and the T of TRUST.
Die gouge through the US of TRUST.
Reverse #1:
Raised lines from lower part of the M in UNUM also appear on business strikes.
Die scratch from lower inside center of the M in UNUM.
1911
Obverse #1:
Die polish seen through date.
Die polish seen below the LIB of LIBERTY.
Extra Metal inside top of the Y of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through the AME of AMERICA.
Late Die State:
Die polish through the AME of AMERICA.
Die cracks through the top of the O of ONE.
1912
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Die polish through and above the date.
Die polish through the ERTY of LIBERTY.
Late Die State:
Die polish through and above the date.
Die polish through the ERTY of LIBERTY.
Die polish seen above TY.
Die polish seen through the first T of TRUST.
Die polish above the O of GOD.
Die polish to the right of the second T of TRUST.
1913
Obverse #1:
Die polish seen above the first 1 in date.
Die gouge through the N of IN.
Die polish through the G in GOD.
1914
Obverse #1:
Early Die State:
Small die chip above the first 1 in date.
Die polish above WE.
Die polish through LIBERTY.
Late Die State:
Small die chip above the first 1 in date.
Die polish above WE.
Die polish through LIBERTY.
Heavy die polish under chin in front of the tie.
Reverse #1
Die scratches through the RIBU of PLURIBUS.
1915
Obverse #1:
Die polish through IN GOD.
Die polish through TRUST.
Die polish below the RTY of LIBERTY.
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
1916
Obverse #1:
Die polish between 19 in date.
Die polish through WE and the UST of TRUST.
Obverse #2:
Small bump seen below the top of the 9.
A few small die scratches are seen running behind the head.
Reverse #1:
Die polish above PLURIBUS.
Reverse #2:
Doubled die reverse, extra thickness seen on the wheat stalks with splitting seen on the stems.
Die scratch from the S of PLURIBUS to the E of ONE.
Need photos of detailed diagnostics
1909
Obverse 2
Die crack from the rim at 7 o’clock through the bust of Lincoln.
Small die gouges on top of the L in LIBERTY.
Die polish through the TY in LIBERTY.
Obverse #3.
Die polish in front of nose.
Reverse #2:
Die polish around the O in ONE.
Die polish through and to the right of the E of CENT and the T of CENT.
Die polish below the A of AMERICA.
1910
Obverse #2:
Die polish to the left of and through WE.
Die gouge to the left of WE.
Die gouges above the N of IN and to the left of the G of GOD.
1911
Obverse #2:
Die scratches above first the 1 in date.
Reverse #2:
Die crack from rim at 2:30 through right wheat stalk.
1912
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
1913
Obverse #2:
Early Die State:
Die polish above date.
Die polish through and below LIBERTY and through IN GOD WE.
Late Die State:
Die polish at the bottom of first 1 and through the date.
Die scratch through the G of GOD and above GOD.
Reverse #1:
No diagnostics.
Reverse #2:
Early Die State:
Die polish through UNUM.
Die polish through the C and to the right of the N of CENT.
Late Die State:
Die polish to the right of the T on CENT.
Any coins which are not listed
Kevin J Flynn
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Comments
I'm glad to hear you are working on a MPL book. It should be very interesting. Can I assume that you DO have photos of obverse 2 die and reverse 2 die for the 1909VDB MPL? If you do it would be nice if you could post the pictures of the diagnostics so those here who own a 1909VDB can attempt to match. I personally CURRENTLY believe that only one set of dies was used in the manufacture of the 1909VDB matte proof Lincoln cent and that one set of dies provided the two obverse and one reverse diagnostics that we all know. I am not aware of any other instance of written reporting of a second set of dies used for this coin other than your comments in your 1996 book. With all the pictures of MPL's on this board in the past year I have not seen pictures of your described diagnostics for a second die. That is not to say I don't believe what you are describing. It is just to say that we need to see pictures AND we need to have other collectors confirm that THEIR coin has these diagnostics. I welcome hearing your comments. Thanks,
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
I have dozens of mega-huge Trueviews of MPLs. Send me your email addy via PM and I will forward them to you.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
it sure would keep this thread on top and add some eye candy here to this thread
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
-Matt
Empty Nest Collection
Matt’s Mattes
Shooting a bunch of MPLs this week, let me see what is still needed
after then.
Still trying to figure out some of the die states, especially on the 1911 and 1916.
Hoping to push and get this book done by FUN.
Kevin
kevinjflynn88@yahoo.com
Thanks again for sending the 1911, it helped alot.
Kevin