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lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
Which coin series has a greater percentage of coins showing
strike weakness than any other coin series?
LCoopie = Les

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  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first thought is Liberty Cap Large Cents. To my knowledge NONE of them are fully struck up.
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    i'd think buffalo nickels as nickel is a hard base metal to begin with

    southern gold from what is posted too
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are some foreign coins that would win this hands down.

    I think in US coins the contenders are shield nickels, Jefferson nickels, Ike dollars and 1966 quarters.

    If you're looking for something that just about never comes fully struck then the Ikes probably edge
    out the Jeffersons for worst. If you're talking average quality then the '66 quarter is at the bottom.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Standing Liberty Quarters.
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  • LostSislerLostSisler Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    How about Roosevelt dimes?
    Case in point;
    image

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    Most-likely a calibration strike with the Obverse being struck by the Hammer Die and the Reverse being struck by the Anvil Die.
    Notice, in the third image, that the edge did not strike-up at all. (Coin has proper weight, etc.).

    But, in all honesty for a series, I would say the Buff's have the rest beet, unless you can count 1792 Half Dismes as a series...
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  • lope208lope208 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭


    << <i>Standing Liberty Quarters. >>



    that was my first thought, too
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    any other guesses,

    so far no one has it
    at least according to PCGS
    LCoopie = Les
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1947 Phillipine MacArthur commemorative coins struck at the San Francisco mint. I've never seen a fully struck example. Most are very poorly struck.
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    If the "right" answer hasn't been guessed yet, I'll guess Walkers.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • If the question was about a single issue I would guess 1921 High Relief Peace...

    But for a series, my guess is Shield Nickels.

    disclaimer: I know nothing about gold or anything older than 1866.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,463 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Which coin series has a greater percentage of coins showing
    strike weakness than any other coin series? >>



    Answer: Where is David Hall ?
  • I haven't been doing gold long enough to tell...

    as far as others (modern) I'd guess, 1,2,3: walkers, slq, buffalo nickels
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Question:

    Who is Alex Trebek ? image
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lostsisler -

    That Roos. Dime you showed is damaged, and
    not a weak strike or a filled die.

    It's been grinded, not worn or weakly struck.


    Thought you might want to know this.......sorry
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  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424


    << <i>Lostsisler -

    That Roos. Dime you showed is damaged, and
    not a weak strike or a filled die.

    It's been grinded, not worn or weakly struck.


    Thought you might want to know this.......sorry >>



    That's what i was thinking at first, but if it was grinded wouldn't it's weight be off? Lostsisler states that the weight is correct, am i wrong with this thinking?
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219
    My guess is flowing hair dollars. No collars, the biggest coin and the presses that were used were designed for smaller coins at that time.
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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm certain that the weight of the Dime
    is going to be lighter than a normal clad dime.

    Maybe his scale is off a bit - the coin has
    met a machine, that's for sure. Notice
    the lack of reeding on the edge - it's also
    be removed....not a broadstrike, or anything
    similar.....
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My guess is flowing hair dollars. No collars, the biggest coin and the presses that were used were designed for smaller coins at that time. >>



    the closest guess so far
    but not right
    LCoopie = Les
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will have to go with the Liberty head Quarter eagle. image


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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Which coin series has a greater percentage of coins showing
    strike weakness than any other coin series? >>



    While it's not a series in and of itself, of the coins post 1850, I'd guess the 1883 no cents nickel. I've yet to see a fully struck example, and unlike SLQs the detail WAS on the die.

    Earlier coins, I'd guess liberty cap large cents. I've never seen a fully struck one of those either.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    according to the PCGS
    Official Guide to Coin Grading etc, 2nd ed
    P179
    it's
    Cappped Bust Half Dollars until

    "the close collar and steam powered presses were introduced in 1836"

    Do you agree with them?
    LCoopie = Les


  • << <i>according to the PCGS
    Official Guide to Coin Grading etc, 2nd ed
    P179
    it's
    Cappped Bust Half Dollars until

    "the close collar and steam powered presses were introduced in 1836"

    Do you agree with them? >>



    I was thinking this, but only for the earlier dates. Also, many times the dies themselves were the reasons for incomplete designs being struck up iirc, not necesarily the 'strike'. But for earlier dates, definately!
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Eisenhower dollars. Hard to tell though because of the crappy low relief design in the first place.

    Jefferson nickels would be my second. How 'bout that ramp up Monticello where I swore there were steps?

    My observation on the copper-nickel Indian cents was they were really often poorly struck. A specialist like Mr. Snow would know better on the statistic there.
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  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219


    << <i>according to the PCGS
    Official Guide to Coin Grading etc, 2nd ed
    P179
    it's
    Cappped Bust Half Dollars until

    "the close collar and steam powered presses were introduced in 1836"

    Do you agree with them? >>



    Not exactly. The close collars (I think) were used starting in 1828. This suggests that not all capped bust suffered from the same striking problem wrt the open collar.
    In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
  • LostSislerLostSisler Posts: 521 ✭✭✭


    << <i>
    That Roos. Dime you showed is damaged, and
    not a weak strike or a filled die.

    It's been grinded, not worn or weakly struck.

    I'm certain that the weight of the Dime
    is going to be lighter than a normal clad dime.

    Maybe his scale is off a bit - the coin has
    met a machine, that's for sure. Notice
    the lack of reeding on the edge - it's also
    be removed....not a broadstrike, or anything
    similar... >>



    The coins weight and the diameter is correct for a planchet.
    The coin was struck while in a collar but was not struck with enough pressure to fill the collar die, so there is no reeding.
    If the coin was damaged after it left the mint (as a fully-struck coin) then it would weigh less, the "grinded" portions would have copper showing through and the edge would show solid copper, without any of the cladding that is clearly evident.

    Montgomery, Salzberg, Bonser, Herbert, Martin, Ellis and Dannreuther have all seen the coin and agree that it is an error. I have over five years of Coining experience so my explanation helped.

    If you'd like to see it I can ship it to you, but it is not for sale... :-)
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    The coins weight and the diameter is correct for a planchet.
    The coin was struck while in a collar but was not struck with enough pressure to fill the collar die, so there is no reeding.
    If the coin was damaged after it left the mint (as a fully-struck coin) then it would weigh less, the "grinded" portions would have copper showing through and the edge would show solid copper, without any of the cladding that is clearly evident.

    Montgomery, Salzberg, Bonser, Herbert, Martin, Ellis and Dannreuther have all seen the coin and agree that it is an error. I have over five years of Coining experience so my explanation helped.

    If you'd like to see it I can ship it to you, but it is not for sale... :-) >>



    Numismatic news published a picture of a 1974 quarter some
    years back with the reverse virtually ground flat. There was
    just a little of the area between the eagle's legs which weren't
    affected.

    The coin did not show copper.

    Of course, seeing the coin in hand is worth two points.
    Tempus fugit.
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shield 5 centers IMHO.


    Ray

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