pcgs...sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...1807 small stars

AU58WALKERS

my quarterly free submission

doh

So did you win or lose? Win cause it got in a holder or lose because it's not the AU you were hoping for?

zeebob

What happened to her face? Is it just glare from the slab?

coindeuce

You won the plastic lottery!! IMHO, the images make that look VF-30.

lasvegasteddy

i'm thinkin this is the win???

rhedden

I think you broke even or came out a little ahead. I grade it XF40.

Mickley

First, it's a beautiful small stars and exceptionally hard to find in that nice a condition. If you bought it raw, there is your good fortune. XF 45 is a high grade, as I'm sure you know, for this coin. Of course, like what was said above, if you were looking at AU, IT"S still NOT YOUR LOSS!!!! You've got a great coin.

STONE

I think that's just an awesome coin and you definitely won with that grade.

PCcoins

I'm not the best at grading this series, but I would say you won. From the pic it looks like a VF30-35 IMO.

STONE

<< <i>I'm not the best at grading this series, but I would say you won. From the pic it looks like a VF30-35 IMO. >>


...and you would be in the norm for the later dates, but the 1807 is notorious for VERY weak strikes.

messydesk

Yeah, that's a win.

JRocco

That coin is XF all day long.
45 was better than 40, but it sure is in the 40-45 range.
Bump to 45 for the clean surfaces and the apparent luster still present.
Nice coin.

TennesseeDave

That's a great coin.I hope I can be so lucky with my quarterly sub.(not nearly as valuable)1819/8 lg.9 in XF(I hope)

bushmaster8

Likeable toning. I'd be proud of that one were it mine.

DoubleEagle59

I think it's a Loss.

Coin looks better than an xf45.

NumisOxide

So, did you win or lose?

Sweet coin either way!

coindeuce

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<< <i>I'm not the best at grading this series, but I would say you won. From the pic it looks like a VF30-35 IMO. >>


...and you would be in the norm for the later dates, but the 1807 is notorious for VERY weak strikes. >>



Please explain to me how a "weak" strike as it relates to the coin would explain the sharp peripheral details in the lettering, date, lower portion of the bust, fold in the cap, arrowheads and olive branch leaves on reverse, yet the central portion of both sides is lacking in detail. The normal metallurgical phenomenon of metal flow in a struck coin lends itself to the opposite of what I see in the images of this coin. A weak strike would manifest itself in weak detail over the entire coin, including the peripheral devices.

OKbustchaser

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<< <i>I'm not the best at grading this series, but I would say you won. From the pic it looks like a VF30-35 IMO. >>


...and you would be in the norm for the later dates, but the 1807 is notorious for VERY weak strikes. >>



Please explain to me how a "weak" strike as it relates to the coin would explain the sharp peripheral details in the lettering, date, lower portion of the bust, fold in the cap, arrowheads and olive branch leaves on reverse, yet the central portion of both sides is lacking in detail. The normal metallurgical phenomenon of metal flow in a struck coin lends itself to the opposite of what I see in the images of this coin. A weak strike would manifest itself in weak detail over the entire coin, including the peripheral devices. >>



Because of the coin design the high points of both the obverse and the reverse are directly across from each other. The planchet simply doesn't have enough metal to fully strike up both centers. The result is a coin which already shows poor detail when removed from between the dies. This was the reason for the complete overhaul of the designs in 1809.

bidask

looks very nice

Blackborder

Cleaned (probably to remove PVC) and retoned. The discoloration on the face/neck is from sitting in a PVC 2x2 for a few years.

mozin

If that coin shows much luster in the fields, it is an AU any day of the week. I like the coin very much.

drddm

Hey, that XF45 doesn't fit AT ALL in your AU set. Send it to me and I will take it off your hands.......

Seriously, that's a beautiful example of that variety and I agree with Tom, if there is luster in the fields under that toning, she's a 50!!!

SomeGuyFromMichigan

Hey we have a winner here !!!!
It's not often you can pick up a nice Small Stars variety.
Looks like a AU50 to me, if the fields contain the nice luster the stars have.
Pretty clean looking coin too boot, with a typical strike.
Nice addition to your Busties!

BECOKA

I'd say you won. I sent in a coin with similar color and it came back as questionable toning.

LeeG

Be thankful, much better than my results:

DNADave

<< <i> A weak strike would manifest itself in weak detail over the entire coin, including the peripheral devices. >>




Not true, think about metal flow and the design.

mozin

Actually, I think the strike on this coin is better than average for the marriage. If there is sufficient luster, NGC should give this coin at least AU55.

In any case, the coin is a beaut.

Mickley

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<< <i>I'm not the best at grading this series, but I would say you won. From the pic it looks like a VF30-35 IMO. >>


...and you would be in the norm for the later dates, but the 1807 is notorious for VERY weak strikes. >>



Please explain to me how a "weak" strike as it relates to the coin would explain the sharp peripheral details in the lettering, date, lower portion of the bust, fold in the cap, arrowheads and olive branch leaves on reverse, yet the central portion of both sides is lacking in detail. The normal metallurgical phenomenon of metal flow in a struck coin lends itself to the opposite of what I see in the images of this coin. A weak strike would manifest itself in weak detail over the entire coin, including the peripheral devices. >>



Because of the coin design the high points of both the obverse and the reverse are directly across from each other. The planchet simply doesn't have enough metal to fully strike up both centers. The result is a coin which already shows poor detail when removed from between the dies. This was the reason for the complete overhaul of the designs in 1809. >>



well said. And of course, the results of fooling around with the dies, gave us those incredible (poorly struck) 1810's!

but to just add to what okbustchaser said, you have to understand that these coins were struck using a screw press, the stars were punched in individually, the shield was decorated by hand (the horizontal and vertical lines), the denticles were each individually punched in the working die. There was also the issue of die lapping/polishing, die wear, planchet quality, die steel quality both in steel that was available and how it was treated afterwards (annealing), and mostly, as mentioned above, the coin design itself and how the metal spread between the obverse and reverse. The end result is that not only are there striking weaknesses, but also the issues just mentioned, all affecting the ultimate product.

AU58WALKERS

I bought the coin raw and I graded it EF, not enough luster to make au even though it does have au details.

I am happy, happy.

RotatedRainbows

The need to get some guys who can put a little more umph into it!!

mozin

<< <i>I bought the coin raw and I graded it EF, not enough luster to make au even though it does have au details.

I am happy, happy. >>

If you only paid XF money for your Bustie, you did very well.