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Maddux Ties Clemens With Career Win No. 354

JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭
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Greg Maddux defeated the San Diego Padres tonight to pick up career win number 354, tying him with Roger Clemens for eighth all-time.

Nothing is guaranteed in sports, so I just hope he picks up one more victory this season to pass Clemens and move into eighth solely.

But more importantly, I hope he doesn't do something crazy and think of retiring. Single season records are set, well, in a single season. But career records (especially in baseball), can take 20+ years. For me, that is a LONG time, too long in fact. Assuming it ever happens (which I seriously doubt), I can't wait that long for another pitcher to approach 350+ career wins. So I'm going to savor every moment.

/s/ JackWESQ
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  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    he's close to being done. pitching for S.D. and L.A. must be quite frustrating. He should play on a contendor!
  • bdunndchibdunndchi Posts: 650
    Congrats to him. I've always been a Maddux fan.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's still effective, but it will come down to whether he wants to keep being an average pitcher at this stage, and more importantly whether he wants to get in shape and go through all the workouts next season.


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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Had he played on a decent team this year, his record would be 11-7, not 7-11. He can still get it done. I hope he pitches one more year, passes Spahn for 5th place, then calls it a career.



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  • FanOf390FanOf390 Posts: 288
    I'll admit it -- I've never been a fan of Maddux, nor have I ever been a fan of Glavine. There's just something about routing for pitchers who can't throw any harder than me.

    I don't know if it's true but "baseball people" used to say that the plate got very wide when Maddux and Glavine pitched for the Braves. I always liked Smoltz much better than Maddux or Glavine.

    "Maddux Ties Clemens With Career Win No. 354" One other comment regarding the title of this thread: Maddux has lost 225 games -- Clemens has lost only 184. That's quite a few more losses for Maddux -- I'd say about 4 extra seasons of losses. Both played for winning teams and both have just about the same career ERA.

    All in all, I'd say Clemens gets a grade of A+ -- Maddux gets a grade of A -- Glavine gets a grade of A-

    Charlie
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Maddux was the best pitcher of his generation.


    Better the Clemens, better then them all.

    Besides being a pitcher he could field and hit a little too.

    Steve
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  • FanOf390FanOf390 Posts: 288


    << <i>Maddux was the best pitcher of his generation. Better than Clemens, better than them all. (grammar corrected) >>



    Well, if you say so Steve, then we'll simply ignore their records and statistics and say Steve must be right! image

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  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wish I'd been able to watch Maddux (Glavine and Smoltz also) when he was pitching for the Braves.

    I tried many times, but just could not handle having to listen to Skip Carey and that damned "Tomahawk Chant" the fans and ballpark organist would incessantly do every game imageimage


    Steve
  • JackWESQJackWESQ Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭
    Both Clemens and Maddux were/are great pitchers. But with Clemens, he may or may not have used performance enhancing drugs ("PEDs"). We may never know.

    But with Maddux, I can't see how anyone can craft a rational argument that he used PEDs. If a player ever defined what a major league baseball pitcher is, I'd imagine Greg Maddux be near the top of the list, if not at the top.

    /s/ JackWESQ
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  • FanOf390FanOf390 Posts: 288


    << <i> But with Maddux, I can't see how anyone can craft a rational argument that he used PEDs. If a player ever defined what a major league baseball pitcher is, I'd imagine Greg Maddux be near the top of the list, if not at the top.

    /s/ JackWESQ >>



    I must admit that I can't argue with that -- well said.
    Charlie
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    All in all, I'd say Clemens gets a grade of A+ -- Maddux gets a grade of A -- Glavine gets a grade of A-




    If you say so Charlie we all will just ignore everything and take your word for it.



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  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭
    To me the PEDs take Clemens out of the arguement for best pitcher of this generation. As you all know I am a huge Yankees fan, but I'm a even bigger fan of the game itself, and PEDs have no place in baseball, and those that used PEDs have no place in the Hall Of Fame IMHO.
  • dilferdilfer Posts: 75
    A couple of things to keep in mind w/ Maddux: (1) He has won every gold glove for NL pitchers since 1990 (except for 2003: Mike Hampton), and (2) he was a great bunter of the ball (come on, what do you expect from a pitcher). Clemens is the sexier pick because of his fastball, but if you include the gold gloves, hitting, and being non-mentioned in the PED investigations during the 2000’s, then I would say Maddux has a strong case for best pitcher to start their career from 1965 to present (Steve Carlton).




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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't go so far as to say from 1965 but Id say from 1988 thru 2008 he was the best pitcher.


    Steve
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Greg Maddux is the best pitcher of this generation.





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