Does This 1911-S Lincoln Hit VF-20?

OneCent

Digging through the circulated box again tonite. FOund this 1911-s Lincoln that I bought about 3 years ago from a coin shop in Philly. Didn't know a whole lot about Lincoln's then but I knew that I liked the date and thought that this was pretty clean for a circulated example. The dealer sold it to me as a VF. As my grading skills have improved and become more refined, I see VF elements in this coin and I also see F elements as well.

What do you think? Does this Lincoln hit VF-20?



edited to add that the coin is not green but brown. I think that my P&S digital is on the ropes as brown seems to be imaging as greenish brown.

commoncents05

Yes.

-Paul

MikeInFL

Maybe.

duck620

i grade it fine.

JRocco

To be VF20:
Obverse-Nearly all the details should show in the hair and on the face. The ear and bow tie are worn but bold.
Reverse-The lines in the wheat stalks are worn but plain and without weak spots.

GrumpyEd

I vote it's about F-15

OneCent

<< <i>To be VF20:
Obverse-Nearly all the details should show in the hair and on the face. The ear and bow tie are worn but bold.
Reverse-The lines in the wheat stalks are worn but plain and without weak spots. >>



I am well versed in the ANA grading standards for Lincolns which, for better or worse, are not the market grading standards that are applied today. I have seen similar coins in VF-20 and VF-25 PCGS slabs.

So, what would you grade the coin?

RedneckHB

I'ld give it a 20.

lordmarcovan

I'll agree with F15, personally, but it's pretty dang close to VF20 and I wouldn't argue much with somebody who said it was, I guess.

OneCent

<< <i>I'll agree with F15, personally, but it's pretty dang close to VF20 and I wouldn't argue much with somebody who said it was, I guess. >>



My feelings exactly. VF-20 Lock reverse with a F-15ish obverse...net F-18. lol.



ANA grading standards...F-15. Too much wear on Lincoln's hair.

JRocco

Hey OneCent,
I know that you are on top of the ANA grading standards.
I posted the standard for those that might not be aware of the official grading standard.

From what I can see in the pic I would say a very solid 15.
I love the look and the color pf this coin.

You and I are both Lincoln nuts that can call these by the correct standards.
I keep a copy of both Photograde by James Ruddy as well as a copy of the ANA Grading Standard within arms length of my desk as you probably do also. There was no bad intent in my original post and I hope none was taken.

OneCent

<< <i>Hey OneCent,
I know that you are on top of the ANA grading standards.
I posted the standard for those that might not be aware of the official grading standard.

From what I can see in the pic I would say a very solid 15.
I love the look and the color pf this coin.

You and I are both Lincoln nuts that can call these by the correct standards.
I keep a copy of both Photograde by James Ruddy as well as a copy of the ANA Grading Standard within arms length of my desk as you probably do also. There was no bad intent in my original post and I hope none was taken. >>




Not at all. I apologize if my reply came off the wrong way. It is all good.

Posting the standards as you did is a good thing. It's funny as I was looking through my Photograde and ANA Standards for Lincoln Wheat cents the other day I was amazed at how things have changed over the years. I think that Photograde was even slightly more conservative than the ANA standards. Heck, the 1911-S that I posted may even be an F-12 by Photograde standards! Funny how things change over time.

I like the coin as an F-15, although if I was so inclined to submit it, I think that it would VF-20/25 by today's standards.

seanq

I more or less agree with JRocco and OneCent, it's a very solid Fine which would not shock me to find in a commercial VF20 holder. For me to grade a Lincoln VF I'd want to see a little more definition in the wheat lines and a little more separation of the top of the ear from the hair.


Sean Reynolds

ArizonaJack

I'd call it a 20