Help with a couple of Canadian varieties

Hussulo

I was helping my father in law sort through some of his Canadian coins using a book which he recently bough out of a second hand book shop whilst on holiday. The book is Coins of Canada by J.A> Haxby and R. C. Willey. 2nd edition.

Anyway, he has a few 1859 one cents. Most appear to be the early form of the narrow 9. One however looks to be "Double punched narrow 9 no.1" or possibly "no.2" it has a small tail to the bottom left of the of the 9.




What do you think?

The next coin is a 1900 5 cents, which seems to be the wide 0 variety?



Many thanks

ajaan

Sure looks like a DP #1 to me. Can you take it out of the 2x2 and image only the date?

The 5c fishscale is a wide 0 coin. Scarcer than the narrow 0.

ajaan

Hus, compare the 1859 to this one:

Hussulo

Thanks Don.

I'll take it out of the 2x2 and try and use the microscope on it (should be able to get a closer picture).
It might have to be tomorrow night now though as Sophia is asleep and its in her bedroom cupboard.

Could you give any indication of values for these? The list of values in the book are from 1972.

Many thanks,
Hus

Hussulo

It looks very much like your one Don.

IstilllikeZARcoins

Great father-in-law.

Hussulo

Great father-in-law.

He's great fun. He's been collecting for many years. He has got soooooo many coins its unreal. He's been going round buying mostly big quantities of coins anywhere he can find them. He's got a few high end stuff but enjoys the fun of buying bulk and hoping to hit a rare date. Even if he doesn't find a rare date he enjoys cataloguing them by date and country.

He knows a lot about British coins as well as few other countries, but for what he doesn't know or for mintage figures etc he mostly uses Krause. The Standard Catalog of World Coins although great, does not contain much in the way of varieties. God knows what is still waiting to be found, but we always have a great time sitting and looking through them when I'm over.

BCNumismatics

Hus,
Have you thought about buying a copy of the Charlton catalogue? That also has photos that will help you identify the varieties in both the Canadian & the Canadian colonies' coin series.

Aidan.

ajaan

Most definately DP#1 all the secondary markers are there.

bosox

This may be of some help. I agree that the cent shown in this thread is a DP#1.

Double-punched 1859 cent article

Hussulo

Many thanks guys, especially for the interesting article bosox.

I've took some pics out of the 2x2:



Next two were under different lighting there isn't any actual difference in colour.



I'll try and get some close ups with the microscope soon.

ajaan

Much nicer. Good color. Scarce coin.

Hussulo

Looking at the nine, I feel its the DP#1. However it could be an early state one as the die cracks aren't all there?




No die crack or possibly a very faint one starting between the two teeth.



No die crack through D?


Small sign of a die crack thorough the centre of R.


No die crack though N (please note image is upside down).


Reverse:
No die crack at 3 o'clock

There is a die crack at the top part of 6 o'clock, not below the leaf.



I'm thinking it is a DP#1 but perhaps an early stage one, were all the die cracks aren't present
and the ones that are haven't spread yet.

Anyone agree, disagree? bosox?

bosox

Hussulo - It's a number 1. The 9 is right and the two reverse die cracks are right. So is the obverse die crack on the T. It does seem to be a little earlier die state than normally seen, but it the die chip in the 9 has formed, so it is a #1. Probably worth between $700-$1200 USD retail. If you are going to sell it, get it certified. - Rob

Hussulo

Thanks for confirming it. That's great news!
I'll let him know, I'm sure he will be very pleased.

Hussulo

Just to give you all an update.

It came back from PCGS verified as a DP#1 and graded VF35.

Thanks Don.

bosox

Congrats. Nice coin.