Seeking Advice on Re-grading OC Card
yankeejunkee
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Hey all. I'm new here & there seems to be some knowledgable people so here goes...
I was hoping to get some advice.
Since I've seen many cards with identicle centering without OC qualifiers... Do you think this PSA 8 (OC) card is a good candidate for getting into a PSA 7 holder? I don't want it in a 6... I think that'd be a rip off considering the card still has great eye appeal, and it falls within the centering guidelines for a 7, with the front being 74/26...
This card is the centerpiece of my collection so to speak.
Link to larger image of front. Link to larger image of front.
Your feedback is much appreciated!
I was hoping to get some advice.
Since I've seen many cards with identicle centering without OC qualifiers... Do you think this PSA 8 (OC) card is a good candidate for getting into a PSA 7 holder? I don't want it in a 6... I think that'd be a rip off considering the card still has great eye appeal, and it falls within the centering guidelines for a 7, with the front being 74/26...
This card is the centerpiece of my collection so to speak.
Link to larger image of front. Link to larger image of front.
Your feedback is much appreciated!
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Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
The card is in the best holder that PSA will ever put it in.
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NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint.
A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
NM 7: Near Mint.
A PSA NM 7 is a card with just a slight surface wear visible upon close inspection. There may be slight fraying on some corners. Picture focus may be slightly out-of-register. A minor printing blemish is acceptable. Slight wax staining is acceptable on the back of the card only. Most of the original gloss is retained. Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.
OC qualifiers seem to drastically reduce what a card sells for.
Thanks for the replys btw!
I don't think that card is a 7.
No harm is trying to resub it, but I doubt it will get a 7.
IF you hate the card, sell it, add some money to the pot,
and buy a better one.
<< <i>If I'm not mistaken, doesn't an (OC) qualifier bump it down two grades? So technically it's a PSA 6. I would certainly re-sub it, maybe you'll get a 7! >>
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OC in the Registry is minus 2.
Sadly, the market has pretty-much adopted the same scheme when pricing.
Why though? It falls within the minimum centering according to PSA's own guidelines for a 7. I'm trying to understand.
If it's 75/25 or better centering, than theoretically it should, all things considered.
the t/b centering is too bad for it to 7.
sometimes 8oc cards will fetch more then 6's.
I personally would prefer that card in 8oc as opposed to PSA 6.
Steve
<< <i>Worth a shot or two. Most PSA 8 OC cards will meet the PSA 7 guidelines. >>
No way bro. PSA 8 OC = PSA 6 without the qualifier. Get your facts straight. chaz
PSA 6. chaz
<< <i>I've seen plenty of 7's with the same or even worse centering.. Heres one from ebay now:
Man, that Yaz is brutal. What 8 eyed PSA grader graded that one???????? chaz
There is no way that can be a hard & fast rule considering there is a specific centering ratio acceptable for a PSA 6 vs a 7 vs an 8 etc... I've heard of many 8oc's being sent in and getting a 7.. I even called and they confirmed it and encouraged me to send it in.. I dont doubt that its possible to get an 8oc into a 7, I know people who have done it.. I just want to get a genreal consensus on whether this cards a good candidate before I send a check.
Do not crack it and resubmit. IMO
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Steve
<< <i>"No way bro. PSA 8 OC = PSA 6 without the qualifier. Get your facts straight. chaz "
There is no way that can be a hard & fast rule considering there is a specific centering ratio acceptable for a PSA 6 vs a 7 vs an 8 etc... I've heard of many 8oc's being sent in and getting a 7.. I even called and they confirmed it and encouraged me to send it in.. I dont doubt that its possible to get an 8oc into a 7, I know people who have done it.. I just want to get a genreal consensus on whether this cards a good candidate before I send a check.
Sorry to disappoint you but that t/b centering is really bad and I see no chance that it gets the 7 unless you show them that 69' Yaz which probably won't move them anyway. chaz
Cards can grade as low as 4 or as high as 7 while also being 8 OC.
Steve
whats a review svc? I joined psa a few months ago and havent sent anything in yet.. I'm not familiar with that. thanks for the replies btw!
the fee is the same as the regular service or tier that this card would fit under.
Steve
How does the back measure up?
Steve
1957 Topps PSA
1961 Fleer SGC
just had a PSa 8 o/c become a 6, sure shot at a 7
Was it off more than 75/25?
Specific measurement requirements are listed for centering...
<< <i>Chaz that is only for registry weighting purposes.
Cards can grade as low as 4 or as high as 7 while also being 8 OC.
Steve >>
Never heard or saw that happen. An 8 OC down to a 4 if I understand you correctly??? chaz
lol, I know... If someone just stated a reason it would be different.. but it seems to be people amazed that the yaz got a 7, as if theyve never seen a 7 with similar centering.. So I question their experience & knowledge. Nobody asked what the centering ratio is, and thats the only thing psa lists as a factor in determining a cards OC qualifier, not even eye appeal.
<< <i> So I question their experience & knowledge. >>
That's not going to go over very well.
<< <i>"Apperantly no one here is going to convince you that the card is not a 7"
lol, I know... If someone just stated a reason it would be different.. but it seems to be people amazed that the yaz got a 7, as if theyve never seen a 7 with similar centering.. So I question their experience & knowledge. Nobody asked what the centering ratio is, and thats the only thing psa lists as a factor in determining a cards OC qualifier, not even eye appeal. >>
I've been around this business for a long time and have never seen such cards oc in my life getting the 7. I say go for it now and if they don't give you the 7 based on centering, I would go to Joe O and start screaming after showing all these "7"s. chaz
jruler
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Well, I guess you could have posted the ratio.
Or, maybe you can now.
you could get another 8oc,7,7oc, or 6
everyone can go back and forth with their opinion but its only the graders
opinion that matters
"...Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back. '
MINIMUM requirements, do not preclude a grader from taking a more "subjective"
view of a card when assigning a numeric grade.
"That's not going to go over very well. "
You know, that came out way wrong... I'm sure there are plenty of people with more exp. and knowledge than me on here.. Hell, I'm brand new on here and a new member to psa!!
I meant to say, on the web, you don't know whos chiming in with their 2cents, & whether or not they know or not, and you have to consider that fact... As people often speak on things as if their experts on the web, when they are indeed not. Not necessarily on here.. But on the net in general.
PLEASE accept my apologies!
In general, folks here TRY to be of help in rendering "opinions."
They tend not to be attempting to trash the questioner when
they offer an "opinion" of the questioner's cards. If they say
the card "sucks," it doesn't mean they think the owner sucks.
The opinions are SELDOM personal. The tone of postings usually
sounds more harsh than the same words would if orally offered.
If you have the jruler #, please post it.
figure out EXACTLY what cards "qualify for a qualifier."
THEY are NOT "controlling words." They do NOT create an absolute, that sets aside "eye appeal."
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OC (Off Center):
When the centering of the card falls below the minimum standard for that grade will be designated "OC." PSA determines centering by comparing the measurements of the borders from left to right and top to bottom. The centering is designated as the percent of difference at the most off-center part of the card. A 5% leeway is given to the front centering minimum standards for cards which grade NM 7 or better.
For example, a card which meets all of the other requirements for PSA MINT 9 and measures 60/40 off-center on the front automatically meets the PSA front centering standards for MINT 9. If a card meets all of the other requirements for PSA MINT 9 and measures 65/35 off-center on the front, it may be deemed to meet the PSA front centering standards for MINT 9 if the eye appeal of the card is good.
<< <i>the card "sucks," >>
that card "sucks"
Never heard or saw that happen. An 8 OC down to a 4 if I understand you correctly??? chaz
yep you heard correctly.
A card can get as low as 4 (sometimes lower) or be a 8OC.
It depends on the centering. A card that measures 95/5 for example will not get a 6.
Steve
<< <i>will be mad though if it doesnt get a 7 because I've seen dozens and dozens of 7's with identicle centering... . >>
Good luck... I think you might be dissapointed when it comes back a 6 but the only person that really know's is the grader!
I hoping you'll be able to post an I told you guys this was a 7 thread in a few weeks.
So it gave me some peace of mind to call... I'll keep you updated.
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On the other hand, there are cards that technically fall within the printed PSA Grading Standards that may be prevented from reaching a particular, unqualified grade because the eye-appeal becomes an issue. For example, a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax card has great contrast between the white borders and the picture because the background is very dark. It is possible that a 1957 Topps Sandy Koufax, one that technically measures for a particular grade - let's say 70/30, may be prevented from reaching that unqualified grade because the market would view that card as off-center - based on eye-appeal issues. Again, this is a rare occurrence but it does happen from time to time when a judgment call has to be made on a card that pushes the limits for centering.