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JimKJimK Posts: 605
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I finally found a decent Bavarian Ludwig II Madonna Thaler- 1871.
I am hoping this one when submitted will grade at least 55 with a shot at 58? (black and white sellers pics)
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Here's another Prussian 1888a Friedrich 2 Mark. It was advertised at Stempelglanz so I am hoping 63 with a shot at 64?? (sorry, I wish I had better pics)
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Comments?
Thanks,
Jim

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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Really tough to tell from those pics. My first thought on the bottom coin was "Bodybagged - cleaned". image
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  • IstilllikeZARcoinsIstilllikeZARcoins Posts: 812 ✭
    Unfortunately I agree with you Dan.

    The blue-ish mark in front of the face is a cleaning mark as it is totally different from the periphery color. image

    Edit: the same mark is there at the back of the head.
    The meaning of life ? I don't know but I am sure that coins have something to do with it.

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  • JimKJimK Posts: 605
    Ouch! I'm expecting that 2 Mark any day now so I will have to look at it more closely when I get it. I'm kicking myself for not getting that one from you when I had the chance Dan...
    What about the Madonna? Seller swears the surfaces are original and it has nice toning.
    Thanks guys!
    Jim
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My opinion is probably not what you want to read...

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  • Rickc300Rickc300 Posts: 876 ✭✭
    The Bavarian Madonna I am guessing XF45, but I really have not seen many of these in person so based on the pics (which are hard to tell by at best) that is my best guess...

    The 2 Mark, which I have seen quite a few of, I think will get body bagged because of a cleaning in trying to remove some tape residue. It seems to show itself in a reverse color image that I blew up.

    Cleaned coins are not all bad in my book. I own some cleaned coins and I am still exhalted and take pride in owning them. TPGS's and sets restricting cleaned or damaged coins is just too bad for the masses as some collections will never be complete as many coins known ONLY in museums have been holed or cleaned. I will take a cleaned coin to fill a void in my collection that I would otherwise never be able to afford to complete in my lifetime. Try and find a collector of Mercury dimes who needs a 1916-D that even with a fairly large mintage (compared to many darkside coins) who would turn one down because it was cleaned. I think most would take a cleaned coin just to be able to fill a void in an otherwise completed collection that most ordinary collectors would never be able to afford.

    Wow did I go off on a tangent... But now you have my two cents worth image

    Rick
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  • JimKJimK Posts: 605
    Well, so much for that Friedrich III. I was determined to get a nice one to go with my 5 Mark so I bought this one this morning. It is graded MS64 NGC:
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    Here is another one I have that I took pics of this morning. I am still learning to use my camera so hopefully they will come out allright. It is not graded:
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    As far as the Madonna goes, I will wait to see it in hand.
    Thank you all for your honest opinions!
    Jim
  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭
    Here's my (best one - I have several image ) Friedrich 2 Mark. Unfortunately, I am a less-than-great photographer, but here it is image -Preussen

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  • JimKJimK Posts: 605


    << <i>Here's my (best one - I have several image ) Friedrich 2 Mark. Unfortunately, I am a less-than-great photographer, but here it is image -Preussen

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    Wow, I suppose the pics just don't do that coin justice. Is that the highest graded one out there?
    Looks like I need to invest in a copy stand so I can get the lighting adjusted properly and mess around with my camera settings a bit more.
    At least the camera I bought I think is decent, it's a Canon S51S and it has super macro setting as well as 12X zoom so the lens is pretty versatile.
    Soon as I get all this set up and start taking some decent pics, I'll have to post up some of my more decent German coins...
    Jim
  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow, I suppose the pics just don't do that coin justice. Is that the highest graded one out there? >>

    Thanks. This one really must be seen in hand, or at least shot by a competent photographer. Last time I checked, there was just this one 68 at PCGS with none higher. There were also 5 in MS67 (I have 3 of them). I also have some PCGS & NGC MS66s and a (undergraded IMO) MS65. I think we should remember that many fine world coins will never see a slab, so we must take pop reports with a grain of salt. -Preussen
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  • JimKJimK Posts: 605
    I received the 2 Mark Friedrich in the original post this afternoon and took these pics. Unfortunately you are all correct. On an otherwise beautiful coin, there is evidence that on the obverse especially, someone at some time tried to remove tape residue. There are also many small hairlines from being wiped~
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    Here's the reverse, this coin would have possibly graded 64 otherwise.

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    I will still enjoy this piece of history as it is.
    Jim
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
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