Help me grade this 1922 No D weak reverse cent. Lrg pics

Moonbiter

These are scans of my 1922 no D weak reverse cent. I have no idea how this would grade, since the reverse is so weakly struck. I'm pretty sure that no details where ever in the wheat. the rim is pretty intact so I I don't think it's wear that made this cent look this bad. However I don't think is higher then F or above.

I will be sending this in eventually just for the authentication aspect of grading, but I am curious what people think it would grade. Me, I have no idea due to the heavy weakness on the reverse and weakness on the obverse.

thanks.

ChrisRx

Vf20 is my guess

copperfan

VG8, maybe a 10. Nothing distracting though..........

ChrisRx

<< <i>VG8, maybe a 10. Nothing distracting though.......... >>



My first thought was a 15, but I have seen 20's that were close to this one. I dunno, they are hard to grade!

Moonbiter

This will be a good one for a GTG after I get it slabbed. If it gets anything over a 10 I'd be mighty surprised, but I could see it getting a 15 if the strike is as weak as I think it is. The coin in hand has a pretty good rim still, which I think points to a pretty weak strike which might help this coin out.

To bad it wasn't a strong reverse, but it's still nice. My grandmother found it in change in the late '50's.

ChrisRx

<< <i>This will be a good one for a GTG after I get it slabbed. If it gets anything over a 10 I'd be mighty surprised, but I could see it getting a 15 if the strike is as weak as I think it is. The coin in hand has a pretty good rim still, which I think points to a pretty weak strike which might help this coin out.

To bad it wasn't a strong reverse, but it's still nice. My grandmother found it in change in the late '50's. >>



Yea, I retract my 20 after looking at it more. I can see it more as a 15.

fc

ooh that is a tough coin to grade.
i would say vg10.

droopyd

I'd grade it F12.

Moonbiter

I would hate to be the grader at PCGS that gets this coin to grade. I bet this one gets more then the normal 2 graders who look at these things. I might have to put a coupon in my submission for a few free drinks to the grader that gets this, because it's going to give them a headache.

ArizonaJack

12 all the way, 15 on a good luck day

Nice coin !!

Moonbiter

I started looking at the Heritage Auction site, and I think I'd have to revise my thinking and say that it should be a 12 or15 now like others are saying. there are some real dogs out there in VG and even in F condition.

ArizonaJack

Thats a real nice original no problem coin

seanq

<< <i>VG8, maybe a 10. Nothing distracting though.......... >>



I agree with this, I don't see the separation between the cheek and jaw that would warrant a grade of Fine.


Sean Reynolds

Moonbiter

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<< <i>VG8, maybe a 10. Nothing distracting though.......... >>



I agree with this, I don't see the separation between the cheek and jaw that would warrant a grade of Fine.


Sean Reynolds >>



I would generally agree, but look at this slabbed one in VG 10 Heritage VG 10 . It's a complete dog, and there are many more like it. Maybe it has something to do with die they are which affects the grade, because IMO my coin is definitely better then this one.

chabot510

vg-10/f-12

Shamika

F-15

lcoopie

i believe the rim has to be complete to get VG
is the rev rim complete?

I have a similiar coin from boyhood G6 is mine

very hard to grade due to weakness in strike

good find by your grandmother

dac076

VG10, but they are definitely hard to grade.

duck620

looks vg-8

fc

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<< <i>

<< <i>VG8, maybe a 10. Nothing distracting though.......... >>



I agree with this, I don't see the separation between the cheek and jaw that would warrant a grade of Fine.


Sean Reynolds >>



I would generally agree, but look at this slabbed one in VG 10 Heritage VG 10 . It's a complete dog, and there are many more like it. Maybe it has something to do with die they are which affects the grade, because IMO my coin is definitely better then this one. >>



that slab, based on the era of it, was some rather inconsistent grading. sometimes strict, sometimes widly inaccurate. i would not
judge based on that how pcgs will grade now. if you can find a more
recently graded example i might be more understanding of your
point.

droopyd

<< <i>i believe the rim has to be complete to get VG
is the rev rim complete? >>



The reverse rim may not need to be complete on a "weak reverse" example.

Just as you may not need a separation on the cheek and jaw on a VF example of the "weak obverse" (aka "strong reverse").

Moonbiter

Here is another on in PCGS VF25 condition.

Heritage PCGS VF25

My obverse isn't as good, but the reverses are about the same. So I would say mine should fall in the F range.