Breaking News: New holder design at NGC

RYK · July 30, 2008 12:46AM

I and others have been asking for a new holder for about three years. Finally, they have listened and have redesigned the holder. I hope that it looks less bulky with the smaller coins, but it is difficult to tell, based on the model in the brochure:

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drwstr123 · July 30, 2008 12:48AM

That's less worse.

jmj3esq · July 30, 2008 12:49AM

Looks better than what they had. I love the edge view. Is it just me or does it look thinner than the older slab?

fc · July 30, 2008 12:52AM

frankly i just had to laugh when they state the most technologically advanced
holder ever created. i hope they did not pay a company a lot of money for that
design.

it looks almost identical to the old holder except with an insert that was already
thought of long ago to show some of the edge.

yawn.

i have seen 7-11 slurpee cups harder to reproduce and more technologically advanced.

RYK · July 30, 2008 12:53AM

<< Looks better than what they had. I love the edge view. Is it just me or does it look thinner than the older slab? >>

No, it's you that looks thinner.

Actually, that is also something that I will be very interested to see, as well. It may not be until October until I get to see one live. I will probably have my few NGC-graded coins (four at last count) reslabbed to the newly designed holder.

Doogy · July 30, 2008 12:53AM

anyone in this day and age that implements new anti-counterfeiting measures, should be commended. a nice move on their part!

trozau · July 30, 2008 12:54AM

Kewl!

fc · July 30, 2008 12:55AM

<< anyone in this day and age that implements new anti-counterfeiting measures, should be commended. a nice move on their part! >>

yes you are right. they should be commended for that.

now if they would only learn how to grade the series i like.

RYK · July 30, 2008 12:57AM

fc,

Congrats on 8888 posts!

Now, perhaps we should all see the holder in-hand before we pass judgment, no?

fc · July 30, 2008 1:00AM

<< fc,

Congrats on 8888 posts!

Now, perhaps we should all see the holder in-hand before we pass judgment, no? >>

it is a piece of plastic shaped in the same way as the old...

am i now expected to think i cannot judge a piece of plastic via a picture? sigh.

i graded it lukewarm.

AS FOR 8888, I GUESS I NEED TO HAVE A GIVEAWAY! HOORAY

NHSBaseball · July 30, 2008 1:01AM

My main gripe with the NGC holders is that they make it next to impossible to photograph a small coin (half dimes are dwarfed by their holders) without leaving a huge shadow on the pic.

The new holder is definitely an improvement in that respect. I also think Bust Halves and other coins with edge lettering will look good in these.

The overall look of the PCGS holder is still far superior, IMO.

chabot510 · July 30, 2008 1:02AM

does look a good deal thinner

dorkkarl · July 30, 2008 1:03AM

<< it is a piece of plastic shaped in the same way as the old... >>

that would only be sensible would'nt it? need new slabs to fit slab boxes like the old 1s?

K S

RYK · July 30, 2008 1:04AM

Admittedly, I was hoping for a little more dramatic change. If the clear plastic is more clear, the holder is thinner, and small coins do not get swallowed up by the white insert, I will consider it to be a significant improvement. I am going to wait until I see one with a gold dollar or half dime before rendering my official position.

Connecticoin · July 30, 2008 1:04AM

Looks the same -- just as bulky.

RYK -- they improved security and have edgeview available, but I do not see how this improves things for viewing of small coins, and they still have the problematic white insert.

TheRaven · July 30, 2008 1:05AM

A small improvement on a piece of crap is still a piece of crap.....

Get rid of all the white.....

Broadstruck · July 30, 2008 1:06AM

They improved the 4 prongs that hold the coin and there's a greater gap and beveled edge for viewing the rim... uber cool for errors!

fc · July 30, 2008 1:09AM

<< 

<< it is a piece of plastic shaped in the same way as the old... >>

that would only be sensible would'nt it? need new slabs to fit slab boxes like the old 1s?

K S >>

I guess if you think a 50 cent plastic box is important to the design of the slab fitting
inside it...

me? i think dealers would simply get the new and old boxes accordingly as they do
coin submissions and is a non issue.

i also like other people's suggestions that the white insert was a bad choice. super clear
plastic is the way to go including the pronged coin holder thingy.

STONE · July 30, 2008 1:12AM

<< That's less worse. >>

I agree

RYK · July 30, 2008 1:17AM

i also like other people's suggestions that the white insert was a bad choice. super clear
plastic is the way to go including the pronged coin holder thingy.

I generally agree with this. Why are they married to that cheap looking white plastic? Is there a patent issue preventing them from going clear? Did they buy a gazillion tons of the white stuff that they have to use up before they can change it? Is the slabbing machinery such that a major overhaul and cap ex would be required to go clear?

chabot510 · July 30, 2008 1:19AM

they use the semi-clear plastic for NCS coins. would you be happier with that in the NGC slab?

Cladiator · July 30, 2008 1:25AM

Those basturds actually trademarked my psuedo trademarked EdgeView™ term!

MikeInFL · July 30, 2008 1:26AM

That's certainly a step in the right direction, but it's still white.

kryptonitecomics · July 30, 2008 1:27AM

I like the new design and will gladly shell out some money to have my toners reslabeed for better imagging possabilities

KUDOS to NGC!!!

Rupert305 · July 30, 2008 1:29AM

<< i also like other people's suggestions that the white insert was a bad choice. super clear
plastic is the way to go including the pronged coin holder thingy.

I generally agree with this. Why are they married to that cheap looking white plastic? Is there a patent issue preventing them from going clear? Did they buy a gazillion tons of the white stuff that they have to use up before they can change it? Is the slabbing machinery such that a major overhaul and cap ex would be required to go clear? >>

I agree on this also. The white insert takes alot of the appearence away from small coins. I was really wishing they would go to a all clear holder.

Connecticoin · July 30, 2008 1:29AM

<< I generally agree with this. Why are they married to that cheap looking white plastic? Is there a patent issue preventing them from going clear? Did they buy a gazillion tons of the white stuff that they have to use up before they can change it? Is the slabbing machinery such that a major overhaul and cap ex would be required to go clear? >>

They should buy SEGS to get their indestructable holder technology, and better looking holders.

Broadstruck · July 30, 2008 1:33AM

<< they use the semi-clear plastic for NCS coins. would you be happier with that in the NGC slab? >>

Yes that would be super cool with the edge view!

Though I wonder what how goofy a H10c will look supported by 4 massive prongs

SUMORADA · July 30, 2008 1:34AM

Looks just like the ones used for the Pres. Dollars.......better but clear would be much better IMO

Broadstruck · July 30, 2008 1:35AM

Does anyone know what they charge to re-holder

etexmike · July 30, 2008 1:35AM

Looks like an improvement to me. At least it is a step in the right direction.

Mike

ElKevvo · July 30, 2008 2:45AM

OK....just remember I thought of this first so no one jump on my bandwagon...I am thinking of a low overhead money making opportunity...I can just set up a table at shows and only bring a UV light....and charge, hmmm, 1.00 to authenticate the holders! Sweet easy money. I figure hauling a UV light around would be a lot of effort to dealers who already have a lot of stuff to haul and for those big buck coins that are not 'stickered' having the light would be a great service to the semi-knowledgeable collector (like myself) or the 'investor' who has money burning a hole in their pocket and just needs to by something....

Oh well, enough dreaming, I guess I will get back to my regular job now...

Seriously the new holder looks decent and I am happy to see a new hologram and other anti counterfeiting devices...I still like PCGS holders the best though!

K

BTW...the first paragraph is a bit tongue -in-cheek for those who might think it not!!

buffalohunter · July 30, 2008 3:14AM

looks like the old slab type bet you can still crack it open switch coins glue it back shut and fool the people was buy the slab not the coin

dizzyfoxx · July 30, 2008 3:17AM

I like the look and design of the new NGC holder very much.

saintguru · July 30, 2008 3:21AM

It's like spraying perfume on a dog turd.

They are terrible looking slabs. You would think that someone with the slightest degree of aesthetics there would recognize a design disaster. They need to redisign the entire thing before I barf.

RegistryCoin · July 30, 2008 3:22AM

Cool. Lots of available space for all the stickers.

Baley · July 30, 2008 3:26AM

OK....just remember I thought of this first so no one jump on my bandwagon...I am thinking of a low overhead money making opportunity...I can just set up a table at shows and only bring a UV light....and charge, hmmm, 1.00 to authenticate the holders! Sweet easy money. I figure hauling a UV light around would be a lot of effort to dealers who already have a lot of stuff to haul and for those big buck coins that are not 'stickered' having the light would be a great service to the semi-knowledgeable collector (like myself) or the 'investor' who has money burning a hole in their pocket and just needs to by something.... Oh well, enough dreaming, I guess I will get back to my regular job now...

You're going to "authenticate" holders for a dollar apiece? Are you going to guarantee your work? And assume financial responsibility if you're wrong?

Seems to me you're going to have to get an awful lot of them right just to break even from the cost of getting even one wrong.

Placid · July 30, 2008 3:29AM

lcoopie · July 30, 2008 3:30AM

( I don't think Jay likes it)

I like the anticounterfeiting features,
I wonder if the prongs cover the rim like the picture shows
I would prefer a more scratch resistant holder

It's good to see the edge, still don't like the white, clear would be better
They should incorporate a small picture of the coin as well into the holder

coindeuce · July 30, 2008 10:01AM

The holder is not new at all, except for the anti-counterfeit devices implemented. Here is one that has been holdered since November '07. They were available by request.

golfer72 · July 30, 2008 10:16AM

Its a bit better. You can see the rims which is good but I hope they keep the sturdiness of the slab. PCGS and NGC are robust, the new ANACS is flimsy.

sturmgrenadier · July 30, 2008 10:21AM

I've picked up sample slabs from them at past shows (they give them out like the proverbial candy). Do you think they will have any at the ANA show? Or are they going to wait until they start actually using them (to give the baddies less time to counterfeit them, etc.)?

Cladiator · July 30, 2008 10:23AM

I wonder if they'll pop open with a couple taps on the side like the current ones do.

coinkat · July 30, 2008 10:26AM

It looks as if they were inspired from what was done "Across the Pond"

SaorAlba · July 30, 2008 10:27AM

I would like to have one of those holders for this bad girl:

Lettered edge variety, but alas in it's present holder canna see the edge.

WTCG · July 30, 2008 10:31AM

I had the chance to hold and view one of the new holders earlier today. Other than the label and insert there really isn't much overall difference between this new holder and the current one.

By the way, NGC is not giving out sample slabs of the new holders at the ANA show.

lope208 · July 30, 2008 10:38AM

Not too significant if you ask me. I think it's actually uglier than the current ones. I don't like the "prongs".
Guess that's why I'm a PCGS member.

Broadstruck · July 30, 2008 10:47AM

<< The holder is not new at all, except for the anti-counterfeit devices implemented. Here is one that has been holdered since November '07. They were available by request.

>>

Yes these have been available, but if you look at the beveled eased edge and gap between the coin and white acrylic... now you can actually see MORE!