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Peg Leg Ikes - 1971-D through 1978-D
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I thought I'd start a new thread on some of the Denver Mint Peg Leg Ikes. There has been a lot of focus (and justifiably so!) on the 1971-S BU Peg Legs and other 1971-S varieties, but I don't think we have covered the clad business strikes very much. I thought I'd start this off with some photos of some examples that I've found.
Here on the East Coast, the Denver Ikes just don't turn up very often. When they do, they are well circulated, and many of them obviously came from the slots. Back in the 1970's there were some bingo halls around here that offered Ikes as prizes in lots of 50 and 100, so Ikes do turn up fairly often around these parts. Consequently, it's not uncommon to find a hoard of 50 coins or so.
Anyway, here are some photos, of some Ikes that I think are Peg Legs. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, or if there is more than one variety to a particular date. I would think that there might be partial as well as full Peg Legs for some dates, and I think the group would be interested in learning of any of those variants. Like I said, I think these are Peg Legs, because they look different from the normal strikes. If these come in various phases, etc, please post photos of your coins for comparison.
First off a 1971-D
Here is a 1972-D
And, a 1974-D
And, then, a 1976-D Type 2
Follwed by a 1977-D. This one seems to be fairly elusive, but that just may be a local phenomenon.
Finally, here is a 1978-D
Here on the East Coast, the Denver Ikes just don't turn up very often. When they do, they are well circulated, and many of them obviously came from the slots. Back in the 1970's there were some bingo halls around here that offered Ikes as prizes in lots of 50 and 100, so Ikes do turn up fairly often around these parts. Consequently, it's not uncommon to find a hoard of 50 coins or so.
Anyway, here are some photos, of some Ikes that I think are Peg Legs. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, or if there is more than one variety to a particular date. I would think that there might be partial as well as full Peg Legs for some dates, and I think the group would be interested in learning of any of those variants. Like I said, I think these are Peg Legs, because they look different from the normal strikes. If these come in various phases, etc, please post photos of your coins for comparison.
First off a 1971-D
Here is a 1972-D
And, a 1974-D
And, then, a 1976-D Type 2
Follwed by a 1977-D. This one seems to be fairly elusive, but that just may be a local phenomenon.
Finally, here is a 1978-D
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BTW, on the die abraded peglegs, have you ever noticed the "halo" at the top of IKEs head that gets created? I've notated it in red from your pictures.
You can see where material was removed from the die to erase the results of the die clash which affects the "flatness" of the fields arounf IKEs head. Some examples are more exaggerated than others.
Of course, if you find a true Pegleg that does not have this in the field then its a good possibility that you have a "die variety" pegleg instead of a "die state" pegleg. The 1972-S Business Strike and Proof Coins as well as the 1976 Type 1 coins are all die variety peglegs. However, when the dies clash on those and then they get repaired, you end up with a fading pegleg!
The name is LEE!
Most Peg Legs are Die State Peg Legs as Lee points out. Since those are from dies that
have been used, clashed and abraded, (probably multiple times to create the Peg Leg),
they can be very tough to find in 65 or 66 condition! Most are from Denver, because they had to
get the most life out of the dies they had on hand. There are some Philly Peg Legs as well.
Multiple clashed and abraded Ike dies can also produce the "Peg Leg Chopped Off E" varieties.
This happens when enough abrasion has occurred to "Chop Off" up to half of the upper
bar of the E in WE. This are was abraded to cover up the UDU (Upside Down U) that comes from
the EPU on the reverse. Finding an Ike with a full UDU is a very tall order!
Morgan Dollars have a "Clashed E Reverse" and Ikes have a "Clashed U Obv".
I have found these "Peg Leg Chopped E" die state varieties in 71-D, 72-D and 74-D......
Now, you have confirmed that they also exist in a 77-D! CONGRATS! That's a TOUGH one!
Happy Hunting!
Brian
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Most Peg Legs are Die State Peg Legs as Lee points out. Since those are from dies that
have been used, clashed and abraded, (probably multiple times to create the Peg Leg),
they can be very tough to find in 65 or 66 condition! Most are from Denver, because they had to
get the most life out of the dies they had on hand. There are some Philly Peg Legs as well.
Multiple clashed and abraded Ike dies can also produce the "Peg Leg Chopped Off E" varieties.
This happens when enough abrasion has occurred to "Chop Off" up to half of the upper
bar of the E in WE. This are was abraded to cover up the UDU (Upside Down U) that comes from
the EPU on the reverse. Finding an Ike with a full UDU is a very tall order!
Morgan Dollars have a "Clashed E Reverse" and Ikes have a "Clashed U Obv".
I have found these "Peg Leg Chopped E" die state varieties in 71-D, 72-D and 74-D......
Now, you have confirmed that they also exist in a 77-D! CONGRATS! That's a TOUGH one!
Happy Hunting!
Brian
I Love
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Damn! I did not even see that one Brian!
The name is LEE!
It's full frontal dismemberment these days.
I have noticed the unusual halo effect on some of these coins. I haven't seen it on any but the Peg Legs, and I'm thinking it is a result of the die polishing process.
Now, the question is this? What do we need to do to get PCGS to recognize these varieties? I'm wondering if we, as collectors, should try to build a photo database of these coins so that there will be a wealth of information for the graders to refer to? I have quite a few more Peg Legs, and I would be more than delighted to photograph them and submit the photos to anyone who has the digital storage space for them. If we had access to a huge selection of photos that we could then try to come up with a consensus as to how to identify the variety for each date.
I mean, we've already learned something from my posting, and that was that there is indeed a 1977-D Peg Leg. That seemed to have been unconfirmed prior to my posting my photos. Also, look at what we've accomplished already with the 1971-S Variations, including the fabulous new find that Lee posted recently. The more we do, the more knowledge we gain as collectors in the process.
What would be the best way to go about this? I'm more than willing to contribute photos and info to such a cause!
Included are about 10 '74-D major peg legs, each one of which is slightly different from the others. I did not bother to bring the 20 or 30 I have in a continuum from common to Major peg leg.
The point is these are all die state, period, until someone comes up with convincing evidence of identical peg legs for a given year and mint without individually unique die abrasion patterns under the foot of the R (heavily circulated Ikes excluded, can't tell what's going on but they are in the minority anyway, thank goodness, one of the benefits of working on Ikes, LOL.
My point in bringing hundreds of Ikes to the Workshop, other than this number is almost necessary when broken down into about 20 categories for working with, is that these represent about 3 years of cherry picking: I did leave behind about as many borderline examples but by and large the Ikes at the Workshop will represent the Ikes you or I would pick out of bins knowing what we will all know by the end of the Workshop.
I love your collection. Now add the Proof Die Variety Peg Legs (namely the 74-S in both silver and clad) and the die-retreatment polish die-state peg legs (including the 74-S in both silver and clad).
I bet in time we will locate die state peg legs in all the Ike proofs (ie, 73, 74 (I'm missing one), 76 T2, 77 and 78). All the Ike Proof dies seem to have been re-frosted several times and repairing scattered frosting on the field of the slender bridge between the left foot of the R and Ikes hair seems a likely cause of these die state proof fading serifs.
Can't stay and chat, on my way to Baltimore! Rob
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The name is LEE!
My first impression was that it's the beginnings of a PegLeg but further thought says that the Die State Peglegs begin from the field and work their way up the letter (as the field rises) instead of starting "on" the letter and working its way down to the field.
Looking closely at the image below of a 1972-D Are, the left outline looks very similar to the photo above but at a more advanced state.
Could there possibly be a Die Variety 1972-D Pegleg?
The name is LEE!