Fake Mantle RC - anyone familiar with Packratcards?
blades3
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I got this letter from a reader. Can anyone help here? Any background info? She said he was kicked off ebay....
"Dear Steve –
I sent you the email below exactly a month ago, because I’d won an auction on a site called Liquidation.com and I ended up getting a fake ’52 Mantle card. I was able to get a refund, but only if I returned all the cards to the seller. I was disappointed I couldn’t keep the evidence (but I have great scans), but returned all cards as instructed, and was happy with the outcome.
Today I went back to Liquidation.com, and the same seller is auctioning off the same lot of cards that I just returned, including the counterfeit Mantle card again! This time he’s removed the outlandish $30,000+ price stickers from the card, but nevertheless, he still swears that to the best of his knowledge, the cards are authentic. Not only am I appalled that the seller is willing to dupe someone else, I’m appalled that Liquidation.com is allowing it to happen. I submitted all sorts of evidence showing how I knew the Mantle card wasn’t genuine, and the evidence was enough to get me a refund (at substantial expense to Liquidation.com), yet they’re turning a blind eye to this new incident. If you click on the seller’s name, “packratcards” to see his previous auctions, you can see that all of his most recent auctions featured a ’51 or ’52 Mantle card in pristine condition, or a May RC from ’51 which also looked “hot off the press”. It seems to be more than just a coincidence.
I’m only telling you this story again because you often warn people when you see a scam in the making. I think there’s a scam in the making, courtesy of Mr. Darrell Packer of Diamond, MO (aka, “packratcards”). I can’t warn any other auction bidders about what happened to me, and maybe a lot of winner bidders just stuck their fake cards on eBay to make a little money, not knowing the card they were selling was worthless. Maybe Liquidation.com will do something about this guy if they realize other forums are talking about him and their lack of action… I don’t know. I’m too old and tired and busy for “revenge” – I just wish the sports card world wasn’t so full of sh**s, because it’s not much fun this way."
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"Dear Steve –
I sent you the email below exactly a month ago, because I’d won an auction on a site called Liquidation.com and I ended up getting a fake ’52 Mantle card. I was able to get a refund, but only if I returned all the cards to the seller. I was disappointed I couldn’t keep the evidence (but I have great scans), but returned all cards as instructed, and was happy with the outcome.
Today I went back to Liquidation.com, and the same seller is auctioning off the same lot of cards that I just returned, including the counterfeit Mantle card again! This time he’s removed the outlandish $30,000+ price stickers from the card, but nevertheless, he still swears that to the best of his knowledge, the cards are authentic. Not only am I appalled that the seller is willing to dupe someone else, I’m appalled that Liquidation.com is allowing it to happen. I submitted all sorts of evidence showing how I knew the Mantle card wasn’t genuine, and the evidence was enough to get me a refund (at substantial expense to Liquidation.com), yet they’re turning a blind eye to this new incident. If you click on the seller’s name, “packratcards” to see his previous auctions, you can see that all of his most recent auctions featured a ’51 or ’52 Mantle card in pristine condition, or a May RC from ’51 which also looked “hot off the press”. It seems to be more than just a coincidence.
I’m only telling you this story again because you often warn people when you see a scam in the making. I think there’s a scam in the making, courtesy of Mr. Darrell Packer of Diamond, MO (aka, “packratcards”). I can’t warn any other auction bidders about what happened to me, and maybe a lot of winner bidders just stuck their fake cards on eBay to make a little money, not knowing the card they were selling was worthless. Maybe Liquidation.com will do something about this guy if they realize other forums are talking about him and their lack of action… I don’t know. I’m too old and tired and busy for “revenge” – I just wish the sports card world wasn’t so full of sh**s, because it’s not much fun this way."
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Needless to say, people that keep scamming usually end up like this:
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When PayPal pays a "buyer-protection" claim on counterfeits, PP often
asks the buyer to ship the merch to LQDT.
On receipt, LQDT lists the items and resells them to other EBAY sellers.
The counterfeits then renew their circle of life, a new EBAY sucker gets
burned, and PP hopes the sale will stick this time. If PP gets another
BP-claim on the merch, they simply repeat the process.
LQDT does allow individual merch-movers to list/resell on the site.
LQDT has been accused of using "fictional seller names" to disguise
their own sale of known FAKE merch. Their disclaimer is pretty cool:
"LQDT Never Sells Merchandise That We Know To Be Counterfeit."
Since EBAY/PayPal asks buyers to send FAKE merch to LQDT, it is
not unreasonable to think that the LQDT "disclaimer" is FRAUDULENTLY
made.
I have personally bought many thousands of dollars worth of items
from LQDT. It is common for LQDT to furnish brand-name boxes,
brand-name tissue wraps, and brand-name tags with the purchase
of the likely-counterfeit items. Such supplies are NOT "factory
authorized," and have been deemed counterfeit by the VeRO
members and the companies they represent.
NOT all items returned to LQDT are actually counterfeit. The level
of EBAY-buyer paranoia is SUPER high and most buyers have NO
idea how to identify a fake. This means that MANY genuine items
end up on LQDT; sharp resellers have made small fortunes picking
through the dregs.
(A $2,000 LOT of 20 Coach items MAY contain ONE/TWO genuine
items. This can turn the LOT into a $6K sale on EBAY; and, the
reseller can throw the fakes away OR sell them at their local
flea-market.)
The FTC/SEC/FBI have stacks of complaints/reports about the sundry
activities of LQDT. It can take YEARS to reach a resolution.
Organized crime is alive and well in the EBAY/PayPal chain of friends.
Auctionbytes recently published some details, which have been WIDELY
known "in the business" for MANY years.
UNLESS you know what you are doing, NEVER buy anything from LQDT.
RICO-Enterprise