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Ebay Seller Blue Creek Coins (aka self-slabber SNGA) Uses Auction To Attack NGC

Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
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In another attempt to add legitimacy to his pretend TPG (Southern Numismatic Grading Authority), ebay seller "blue-creek-coins" has listed an auction with the following title;

"NGC GROSSLY OVER-GRADES 1887 MORGAN DOLLAR, SCREW-UP PLACES MINT STATE GRADE ON EXTRA FINE COIN"

Blue Creek/SNGA Derides NGC

Be sure to check out the auction pics. He's also discovered he can use part of SNGA's acronym (SNG) in some of the auction titles.


Here's some of SNGA's work, for those of you who haven't had the chance to catch their act. As always, my compliments to the skilled artisan who paints the blue sun (yellow on earlier slabs) over the Coin World label. Blue Creek promotes SNGA with "GOOD SOLID GRADING STANDARDS! VERY CONSERVATIVE!", while he uses listings to assail PCGS & NGC;

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  • BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭
    I guess painting flowers over the Coinworld logo on the slab legitimizes the company

    Positive BST Transactions (buyers and sellers): wondercoin, blu62vette, BAJJERFAN, privatecoin, blu62vette, AlanLastufka, privatecoin

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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    I love the flowers painted on the CoinWorld holders! I've seen his auctions before. Grades more than a little inflated.
    Successful B/S/T transactions: As Seller: PascoWA (June 2008); MsMorrisine (April 2009); ECHOES (July 2009) As Buyer: bfjohnson (July 2008); robkool (Dec 2010); itsnotjustme (Dec 2010) TwoSides2aCoin (Dec 2018) PrivateCoin Jan 2019
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    bad
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    To quote someone from an earlier thread about them;

    "Oh, that's TOO funny--if you set out to make a parody of the do-it-yourself grading company, the parody would look like the real thing..."
  • quattrocoinsquattrocoins Posts: 1,881
    Derides NGC's grade of MS61 and calls it extra fine, yet wants MS64+ money for it! image
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to see how he blocks out the really big Coin World logo on the backs of the slabs.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    61's overgraded and yet he wants halfway between 64 and 65 money for it? image
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just report them!

    Sunshine Rare Coins

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  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like to see how he blocks out the really big Coin World logo on the backs of the slabs. >>



    He uses the big holders, PCGS size. The last 100 or so I bought of those did not have the logo and "CoinWorld" embossed on the back. Just the small logo in the same position as the front.

    Successful B/S/T transactions: As Seller: PascoWA (June 2008); MsMorrisine (April 2009); ECHOES (July 2009) As Buyer: bfjohnson (July 2008); robkool (Dec 2010); itsnotjustme (Dec 2010) TwoSides2aCoin (Dec 2018) PrivateCoin Jan 2019
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    dang, that's about as goofy as it gets

    K S
  • sonoranmonsoonsonoranmonsoon Posts: 2,078 ✭✭
    I feel like the guy is yelling at me with all his stated rules. Very irritating. Too many "don't do this or don't do that" statements for my taste.
  • zeus135zeus135 Posts: 1,043 ✭
    Like ziggy said......... he claims it's really EF, yet he's pricing it like it's MS64+.
    My humble '63 mint registry set, not much, but it's mine!
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    I think his high asking price may be a combination of three reasons. (1) He's found an NGC "wound" and he wants to "rub salt" in it for as long as possible. (2) He believes the slab is "damning evidence" against NGC, therefore, it's worth a premium. (3) He wants about three times what he paid for it.

    He had a similar auction a couple months ago for a PCGS slabbed Morgan, because the slab listed the wrong date (one of those white label slabs for Morgans that was an option for bulk submissions, where the coin was graded brilliant uncirculated if it did not meet a minimum grade, no cert number). In his mind, he had found a monument to PCGS's ineptitude and was exploiting it for a premium. Meanwhile, he's "slabbing" worn, harshly cleaned Morgans as 66 DMPL's.

  • dac076dac076 Posts: 817 ✭


    << <i>I guess painting flowers over the Coinworld logo on the slab legitimizes the company >>



    image The least he can do is spring for some stickers! Maybe green ovals that say BCAC image
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Ugh, his coins suck. As does his auction template.
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328
    I do have to say that his "prepaid submission forms" (while seemingly a waste of time, as so few are sold they barely cover the auction fees) were a clever idea as a way to make SNGA "searchable". When I was looking them up (in order to find a recent image for Coin Auctions Help's thread about the various TPG's), a search of SNGA in titles and descriptions returned the submission form auctions. They are a way for him to use "SNGA COIN GRADING" in the auction title, because the certificate itself is not a graded coin. This, in turn, leads you right to SNGA's front door (where you find all the SNGA slabbed coins after you click on seller's other items).
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    what disturbs me the most is that there are collectors out there
    who actually must fall for this stuff. if none bought, the people
    would not try auctions like this.

    sad.
  • TJM965TJM965 Posts: 446 ✭✭✭
    Treat the coins in these slabs as raw. They are worth something. I don't believe any of his slabbed coins have brought any where near the grades slabbed. No one should get hurt if they bid accordingly.
  • quattrocoinsquattrocoins Posts: 1,881


    << <i>Derides NGC's grade of MS61 and calls it extra fine, yet wants MS64+ money for it! image >>



    Just sent them the following message:

    Hi,
    If, as you state, the coin only grades extra fine, why are you asking MS64+ money for it?

    I doubt they'll display it on the auction page! image

    I wonder if they'll even reply to it. image
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • nicetoning42107nicetoning42107 Posts: 1,162
    The yellow splotch on the earlier slabs? Those are equivalent to the PCGS doilies! SNGA really, REALLY undergraded in those days. In fact, the holder with the yellow splotches are so old and rare that the holder alone brings $100+! There's a rumor going around that an SNGA holder with a green splotch exists. Traded privately for $500! Didn't even have a coin in it!

    *comedy
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. ~Vladimir Lenin
  • quattrocoinsquattrocoins Posts: 1,881


    << <i>

    << <i>Derides NGC's grade of MS61 and calls it extra fine, yet wants MS64+ money for it! image >>



    Just sent them the following message:

    Hi,
    If, as you state, the coin only grades extra fine, why are you asking MS64+ money for it?

    I doubt they'll display it on the auction page! image

    I wonder if they'll even reply to it. image >>




    WOW, that was quick. Not only did they reply, but they are displaying the questions and their answers! image

    I see that someone else had the same idea! image
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Check out his "MS-66" Seated Half dollar. Whizzed to death!

    http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=319645&image=153025708&images=153025670,153025708,153025778,153025833,153025849&formats=0,0,0,0,0&format=0
    Tom

  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328


    << <i>WOW, that was quick. Not only did they reply, but they are displaying the questions and their answers! image

    I see that someone else had the same idea! image >>




    Interesting. Part of his reply states "This does not happen everyday as NGC does very well in their grading most of the time." This seems to conflict somewhat with the statement "OVER-GRADED COIN LEADS TO QUESTIONS CONCERNING GRADING ACCURACY OF NGC" from his description. The overall tone of the auction gives one the impression NGC is completely falling down on the job, asleep at the wheel, has egg all over their face, and that there's some kind of widespread buzz out there about it. Now, we are talking about a rare event. At least he's polite with his replies.
  • Tyler1924STyler1924S Posts: 1,328


    << <i>Check out his "MS-66" Seated Half dollar. Whizzed to death!

    http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=319645&image=153025708&images=153025670,153025708,153025778,153025833,153025849&formats=0,0,0,0,0&format=0 >>



    Here it is when he bought it on July 6th in an NCS slab as WHIZZED XF Details...

    image

    He's buying them as ANACS cleaned AU's, NCS, etc. Sells them as problem free UNC's. That whole scene. But of course, it's NGC who has the problem, not the esteemed SNGA.

    Here's the before & after for the Barber Quarter he bought on July 10th...

    image
  • PolarbeerPolarbeer Posts: 37
    I find the most comical about this is that he doesn't have a single neg feedback image

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