Strange counterstamps on US large cents

Blackhawk

Here are two that are a bit different. The first is a 1796 daped bust cent with a clip. The counterstamp on the obverse looks like T.GREE to me...the reverse has two areas that could either be tool marks or some sort of stamping.

The second 1831 cent is counterstamped with J. JONES, and also the letter M. To me, it looks like the M may have been added later.

Any thoughts on these?

savoyspecial

J.Jones has an entry in Rulau but it mentions the name being stamped in a depressed rectangle

i agree that the M looks as if it were punched later

neat coins!
greg

numisma

Blackhawk,

Neat countermarked coins. I think that your T. GREE could be be J. GREEN. Both J and T Green are known countermarks, but the T. GREEN usually comes with a DOVER stamp as well. My Brunk book is at work, but I will check it tomorrow. By the way, your coin is a slightly better variety. It is 1796 S-102, R.4. Not that this will affect the value, but it is additional information that you can keep with your coin. The tree-shaped counterstamp is new to me, although the asterick design below it (albeit in many different forms) is occassionally observed on early copper.

And, as savoyspecial indicated, the J. JONES countermark is also known, although we (anyone on this forum) should compare it to known examples to be sure it matches the punch.

JRocco

Great info, thanks for sharing.