But, like I said before, I'd rather not get in an argument about this. You haven't provided any contrary evidence, so any futher discussion is probably going to degenerate into a silly episode of Internet name calling, which is something I'd just as soon avoid.
Oh like how you called me a 'yahoo' earlier? I have provided plenty of contrary evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
And just because you say something is a fact I don't have to take it as such.
My opinion is based on looking at hundreds of cards in BCCG slabs on ebay, listening to informed collectors here and common sense.
With that I too am done with this thread.
You failed to answer just about everyone of my questions which is typical of you anyway.
<< <i>But, like I said before, I'd rather not get in an argument about this. You haven't provided any contrary evidence, so any futher discussion is probably going to degenerate into a silly episode of Internet name calling, which is something I'd just as soon avoid.
Oh like how you called me a 'yahoo' earlier? I have provided plenty of contrary evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
And just because you say something is a fact I don't have to take it as such.
My opinion is based on looking at hundreds of cards in BCCG slabs on ebay, listening to informed collectors here and common sense.
With that I too am done with this thread.
You failed to answer just about everyone of my questions which is typical of you anyway.
Steve >>
Again, feel free to provide this contary evidence once you feel so inclined. I've tried to make a faithful effort to show you the reasons why I've come to the opinions on this subject that I have, and I don't think it's too much to ask that you do the same.
If you've had sterling success crossing PSA 8's to BCCG 10 holders, or you know someone who has, then by all means share that with the class. Otherwise, I don't see why you wouldn't defer to someone who does, in fact, have a fair bit of experience with this.
Edit to add: What questions haven't I answered? I'm happy to answer any questions you (or anyone else) have about my opinions/knowledge on this matter.
Ok Boo I'll bite. Below is a list of questions I asked of you in which you either outright ignored or answered without actually answering the question.
1...........After you claimed the Rice was a PSA 7 I asked did you even bother to look at the corners?
2...........After you made your claim that PSA 8 Jordans could be gradeflated to BCCG 10's and a ton of money made I asked:
I wonder how many BCCG 10 Jordans would make it into PSA 8 holders (regardless of where they came from)
3.......Why is it that many Beckett submitters use BVG over BCCG then?
4..........If I did do your experiment who do I sell these cards too? Ignorant buyers?
Each question I asked was either ignored, or answered with another question.
I do not need to send in cards to BCCG to form an opinion on them. I can form my opinion in other ways.
Just like mine is an opinion Boo, yours is too. You have flipped flopped more then 1x in this thread alone, most notably when after saying 2x that one could take all the PSA 8 Jordans and get them all into BCCG 10's holders one could make alot of money, not only is that opinion you said it was a fact!
Ok I know I said I was done with this thread but while I am watching the Mutts game I'll await your answers.
Uh, Steve, it's time to re-read the thread. I said that if you (and by 'you' I mean ' Win Pitcher') think that BCCG is a trashy grading company then you could make a fistful of cash by getting PSA 8 Jordan RC's into BCCG 10 slabs. My point was that this CAN'T be done, because BCCG doesn't grade inflate. It would then seem to follow that the reason I haven't done this is because it isn't possible to do so. Scott seemed to pick up on this right away, as did Lee, so I'm not sure why you're having the difficulties with this that you appear to be having.
With respect to the corners on the Rice I said that I am more inclined to trust the grade on the flip then I am the scan, because scans rarely give you an accurate picture of the card's condition. I then put up some pictures of the '71's in order to try and prove my point.
I don't know why many Beckett submitters prefer BGS to BCCG, aside from the fact that BGS slabs offer some additional equity in the way of the Gem Mint and Pristine grades. Also you can track your grades online through BGS, whereas you cannot do that with BCCG.
As far as who you would sell the BCCG 10's to you could sell them to whomever you wanted to sell them to. If you want to say that anyone who buys a high end cards in a BCCG slab is 'ignorant' then yes, you would then, by definition, be selling these cards to ignorant collectors.
Anyway, to reiterate: I never said that you can get cards from PSA 8 holders to BCCG 10 holders with any kind of certainty. Seriously, have you even been following the discussion? I said that anyone who thinks BCCG is a garbage grading company could do this. But since I obviously DON'T feel that BCCG is a trashy grading company then it should clearly follow that I don't think this can be done. In fact, I then went on to give my personal experience with trying to make PSA 8's cross to BCCG 10', and gave what is a fairly unambiguous account of my failure to do so.
<< <i>8.5 is close and would mean a half grade difference, I know that is not the case on all of them. I have seen worse cards end up in BCCG 10 holders.
>>
Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7.
<< <i>My point was that is one of the nicest cards I have seen that did not get a BCCG 10. Centering is the only issue I can find on it >>
I wish I hadn't cracked all my BCCG 9's, because I have had some absolute blazers come back with that grade. I'll poke around and see if I have any left; if I do I'll try to get scans up.
<< <i>8.5 is close and would mean a half grade difference, I know that is not the case on all of them. I have seen worse cards end up in BCCG 10 holders.
Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7. >>
Yup common mistake many make...Most just the the number 9 and think it means the card is a "mint 9" but they seem to miss the part where is says "near mint or better"
with that being said I don't like Bccg graded cards and don't look for them when buying cards as I have seen alot of Bccg 10's (mint or better) with bad centering.. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy if I could inspect one in person and it met my standards..
By the way I have seen these cross to PSA 10's and BGS 9.5's
I may crack that Emmitt and when I get ready to do another Bulk submission drop it in there. The card was given to me last year, so nothing really to lose there.
<< <i>Yeah I find you boring Justin what else is new?
Steve >>
Steve,
If you found me interesting, I would immediately change what I was doing. It would mean that my approach to life would have denigrated to the lowest common denominator.
lol yeah ok Boo whatever you say, So you were sarcastic the whole time?
I find it funny how when I showed your comments regarding BCCG 2.5 years ago you came on here and claimed that BCCG around 2 years ago changed the way they graded. Like I said you can have your opinion and I can have mine.
lol yeah ok Boo whatever you say, So you were sarcastic the whole time?
I find it funny how when I showed your comments regarding BCCG 2.5 years ago you came on here and claimed that BCCG around 2 years ago changed the way they graded. Like I said you can have your opinion and I can have mine.
Steve >>
I don't know when they changed. Maybe it was nine months ago, maybe 17 months.
I've run two major BCCG experiments. The first occured at about two years ago or so, and involved somewhere around 70 various Barry Bonds RC's in PSA 8 holders. There was a mix of 1986 TT and FU, and of those about 20% bumped to BCCG 10. The second experiment was about eight months ago, and involved the A-Rods I was talking about and some other stuff as well-- Payton RC's, etc. That particular batch did not come out nearly so well.
I do think that things at BGS (and BCCG) have changed quite a bit, though, from what they were a few years ago. And yes, we can cleary have contrasting opinions on the matter, although I'm at a loss to understand why you would choose to disregard my personal experiences with BCCG when formulating your own opinion. But, whatever pops your corn.
Uh, Steve, it's time to re-read the thread. I said that if you (and by 'you' I mean ' Win Pitcher') think that BCCG is a trashy grading company then you could make a fistful of cash by getting PSA 8 Jordan RC's into BCCG 10 slabs. My point was that this CAN'T be done
Scott seemed to pick up on this right away, as did Lee,
Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread.
Boo 2x you said it could be done, only when pressed on it you finally said it couldn't.
Like I said you have flipped flopped in this thread a few times.
<< <i>Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7.
And you say BCCG does not grade inflate? what the hell is the above statement then?
Steve >>
OK: Here's how it works. A BCCG 10 is the same (in theory) as a PSA/BGS 9 or PSA/BGS 10. A BCCG 9 is the same as a PSA/BGS 7. 7.5, 8 or 8.5. A BCCG 8 is the same as a PSA/BGS 6 or 6.5. A BCCG 7 is the same (I think) as anything between a PSA/BGS 2 and a PSA/BGS 5.5. A BCCG 5 is the same as a PSA/BGS 1 or 1.5
It's a five tier grading scale as opposed to a ten tier, and the lowest grade a card can receive is a '5'. If you get a BCCG 6, for instance, the slab will read 'Very Good or better'. I do find it telling that you dismiss BCCG without so much as understanding their grading scale, but to each his own...
So, while the numbers don't correspond to the PSA/BGS numerical grades, that doesn't mean the grades themselves are inflated. An SGC 10, for instance, obviously isn't the same as a PSA 10, but that doesn't mean that SGC grade inflates-- only that different numbers correspond to different grades.
<< <i>I don't know when they changed. Maybe it was nine months ago, maybe 17 months
Few posts back you said it was 2 yrs ago, which is it Boo 2yrs? 9 months? 17 months or you don't know?
Steve
And I quote:
IMExperience BGS and BCCG have undergone a pretty substantial change in the past couple of years >>
OK-- I should have said 'sometime in the past couple of years', although I'm not sure how this it all changes the scope of the debate, since the issue at hand is whether or not BCCG is--currently-- and accurate grading outfit, not when, exactly, they became a reputable grader.
<< <i>Uh, Steve, it's time to re-read the thread. I said that if you (and by 'you' I mean ' Win Pitcher') think that BCCG is a trashy grading company then you could make a fistful of cash by getting PSA 8 Jordan RC's into BCCG 10 slabs. My point was that this CAN'T be done
Scott seemed to pick up on this right away, as did Lee,
Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread.
Boo 2x you said it could be done, only when pressed on it you finally said it couldn't.
Like I said you have flipped flopped in this thread a few times.
Steve >>
Steve, you need to step back and think about this, If I thought you could move cards freely between PSA 8 and BCCG 10 holders, wouldn't that then suggest that I think BCCG is a trashy grading company?
Steve, you need to step back and think about this, If I thought you could move cards freely between PSA 8 and BCCG 10 holders, wouldn't that then suggest that I think BCCG is a trashy grading company?
Boo not only did you 'think' you could do that, you earlier claimed it as fact. And to answer your question I have no idea anymore what is on your mind.
I can only go by what you have said in the past and say now.
I'm sorry if I don't have a triple digit IQ like you and don't read into your banter.
<< <i>Boo I understand BCCG's grading scale, there you go again making your opinion as fact.
like I said earlier, I can have my opinion and you can have yours.
Why do you insist on ramming yours down my throat.
I can think whatever i choose (just as you can)
I just don't flip flop like you seem to do.
Steve >>
This is fantastic. OK, Steve, I call uncle. You're right-- in one single thread I first came out and vehemently defended BCCG, then somehow 'flip flopped' and implied that they suck, and then came back again (all in the same thread) and trumpeted their value to the card collecting world.
Also, like I said, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. I just don't see what it's based on. You surely know more about 1965 Topps, or Mars Attacks, or anything involving coins, then I do, so I would happily defer to you on matters involving these collectibles. I'm almost sure I know more about BCCG then you do, however, so it surprises me when defend a position that, so far as I can see, has no (or very little) basis in fact, and runs contrary to the presented evidence.
<< <i>Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread. >>
I wrote:
While I can't stand the BCCG product, I tend to agree with Potts in the respect that "nice" PSA 8 Jordan RC's would bring back a positive return in the BCCG 10.
Now, could you flip 100 of them? Doubtful, but he's not too far off base in his thinking.
I was pointing out in my first post that a "nice" PSA 8, if it were to make it into a BCCG 10 would bring a nice profit. I still would suggest, and I think even Boo would agree, that a "nice" or "high end" PSA 8 would probably make it into a BCCG 10.
I got Boo's point from the get-go just as I've understand Steve's from the get-go. But, in the words of that immortal movie line, "What we have here is a failure to communicate!"
I was pointing out in my first post that a "nice" PSA 8, if it were to make it into a BCCG 10 would bring a nice profit. I still would suggest, and I think even Boo would agree, that a "nice" or "high end" PSA 8 would probably make it into a BCCG 10.
Ive agreed with that from the git go too. That is why i asked 'how many BCCG 10's could then get into PSA holders?
Oh and by the way, I'm glad someone has understood my point from the beginning of this thread.
Comments
Oh like how you called me a 'yahoo' earlier? I have provided plenty of contrary evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
And just because you say something is a fact I don't have to take it as such.
My opinion is based on looking at hundreds of cards in BCCG slabs on ebay, listening to informed
collectors here and common sense.
With that I too am done with this thread.
You failed to answer just about everyone of my questions which is typical of you anyway.
Steve
the bccg zealots.
Sorry if it came across that way.
Steve
<< <i>But, like I said before, I'd rather not get in an argument about this. You haven't provided any contrary evidence, so any futher discussion is probably going to degenerate into a silly episode of Internet name calling, which is something I'd just as soon avoid.
Oh like how you called me a 'yahoo' earlier? I have provided plenty of contrary evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
And just because you say something is a fact I don't have to take it as such.
My opinion is based on looking at hundreds of cards in BCCG slabs on ebay, listening to informed
collectors here and common sense.
With that I too am done with this thread.
You failed to answer just about everyone of my questions which is typical of you anyway.
Steve >>
Again, feel free to provide this contary evidence once you feel so inclined. I've tried to make a faithful effort to show you the reasons why I've come to the opinions on this subject that I have, and I don't think it's too much to ask that you do the same.
If you've had sterling success crossing PSA 8's to BCCG 10 holders, or you know someone who has, then by all means share that with the class. Otherwise, I don't see why you wouldn't defer to someone who does, in fact, have a fair bit of experience with this.
Edit to add: What questions haven't I answered? I'm happy to answer any questions you (or anyone else) have about my opinions/knowledge on this matter.
without actually answering the question.
1...........After you claimed the Rice was a PSA 7 I asked did you even bother to look at the corners?
2...........After you made your claim that PSA 8 Jordans could be gradeflated to BCCG 10's and a ton of money made I asked:
I wonder how many BCCG 10 Jordans would make it into PSA 8 holders (regardless of where they came from)
3.......Why is it that many Beckett submitters use BVG over BCCG then?
4..........If I did do your experiment who do I sell these cards too? Ignorant buyers?
Each question I asked was either ignored, or answered with another question.
I do not need to send in cards to BCCG to form an opinion on them. I can form my opinion in other ways.
Just like mine is an opinion Boo, yours is too. You have flipped flopped more then 1x in this thread alone, most notably
when after saying 2x that one could take all the PSA 8 Jordans and get them all into BCCG 10's holders one could make
alot of money, not only is that opinion you said it was a fact!
Ok I know I said I was done with this thread but while I am watching the Mutts game I'll await your answers.
Steve
Steve
<< <i>Guess the grade..
It should be an 8.5 (NM-MT+) assuming it is as it is scanned... Not sure of the holder, but...
With respect to the corners on the Rice I said that I am more inclined to trust the grade on the flip then I am the scan, because scans rarely give you an accurate picture of the card's condition. I then put up some pictures of the '71's in order to try and prove my point.
I don't know why many Beckett submitters prefer BGS to BCCG, aside from the fact that BGS slabs offer some additional equity in the way of the Gem Mint and Pristine grades. Also you can track your grades online through BGS, whereas you cannot do that with BCCG.
As far as who you would sell the BCCG 10's to you could sell them to whomever you wanted to sell them to. If you want to say that anyone who buys a high end cards in a BCCG slab is 'ignorant' then yes, you would then, by definition, be selling these cards to ignorant collectors.
Anyway, to reiterate: I never said that you can get cards from PSA 8 holders to BCCG 10 holders with any kind of certainty. Seriously, have you even been following the discussion? I said that anyone who thinks BCCG is a garbage grading company could do this. But since I obviously DON'T feel that BCCG is a trashy grading company then it should clearly follow that I don't think this can be done. In fact, I then went on to give my personal experience with trying to make PSA 8's cross to BCCG 10', and gave what is a fairly unambiguous account of my failure to do so.
<< <i>No but they were posted in reply to one of my questions and I never did figure out why.
Steve >>
I have not posted the grades to any of these cards.
<< <i>8.5 is close and would mean a half grade difference, I know that is not the case on all of them. I have seen worse cards end up in BCCG 10 holders.
Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7.
<< <i>My point was that is one of the nicest cards I have seen that did not get a BCCG 10. Centering is the only issue I can find on it >>
I wish I hadn't cracked all my BCCG 9's, because I have had some absolute blazers come back with that grade. I'll poke around and see if I have any left; if I do I'll try to get scans up.
<< <i>
<< <i>8.5 is close and would mean a half grade difference, I know that is not the case on all of them. I have seen worse cards end up in BCCG 10 holders.
Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7. >>
Yup common mistake many make...Most just the the number 9 and think it means the card is a "mint 9" but they seem to miss the part where is says "near mint or better"
with that being said I don't like Bccg graded cards and don't look for them when buying cards as I have seen alot of Bccg 10's (mint or better) with bad centering.. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy if I could inspect one in person and it met my standards..
By the way I have seen these cross to PSA 10's and BGS 9.5's
<< <i>Yeah I find you boring Justin what else is new?
Steve >>
Steve,
If you found me interesting, I would immediately change what I was doing. It would mean that my approach to life would have denigrated to the lowest common denominator.
J
lol yeah ok Boo whatever you say, So you were sarcastic the whole time?
I find it funny how when I showed your comments regarding BCCG 2.5 years ago you came on here and claimed that BCCG around 2 years ago
changed the way they graded. Like I said you can have your opinion and I can have mine.
Steve
Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7.
And you say BCCG does not grade inflate? what the hell is the above statement then?
Steve
Steve
<< <i>because BCCG doesn't grade inflate
lol yeah ok Boo whatever you say, So you were sarcastic the whole time?
I find it funny how when I showed your comments regarding BCCG 2.5 years ago you came on here and claimed that BCCG around 2 years ago
changed the way they graded. Like I said you can have your opinion and I can have mine.
Steve >>
I don't know when they changed. Maybe it was nine months ago, maybe 17 months.
I've run two major BCCG experiments. The first occured at about two years ago or so, and involved somewhere around 70 various Barry Bonds RC's in PSA 8 holders. There was a mix of 1986 TT and FU, and of those about 20% bumped to BCCG 10. The second experiment was about eight months ago, and involved the A-Rods I was talking about and some other stuff as well-- Payton RC's, etc. That particular batch did not come out nearly so well.
I do think that things at BGS (and BCCG) have changed quite a bit, though, from what they were a few years ago. And yes, we can cleary have contrasting opinions on the matter, although I'm at a loss to understand why you would choose to disregard my personal experiences with BCCG when formulating your own opinion. But, whatever pops your corn.
Scott seemed to pick up on this right away, as did Lee,
Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he
basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread.
Boo 2x you said it could be done, only when pressed on it you finally said it couldn't.
Like I said you have flipped flopped in this thread a few times.
Steve
Few posts back you said it was 2 yrs ago, which is it Boo 2yrs? 9 months? 17 months or you don't know?
Steve
And I quote:
IMExperience BGS and BCCG have undergone a pretty substantial change in the past couple of years
<< <i>Actually, an 8.5 is a 1.5 grade difference from a BCCG 9, since a BCCG 9 is actually on par with a PSA/BGS 7.
And you say BCCG does not grade inflate? what the hell is the above statement then?
Steve >>
OK: Here's how it works. A BCCG 10 is the same (in theory) as a PSA/BGS 9 or PSA/BGS 10. A BCCG 9 is the same as a PSA/BGS 7. 7.5, 8 or 8.5. A BCCG 8 is the same as a PSA/BGS 6 or 6.5. A BCCG 7 is the same (I think) as anything between a PSA/BGS 2 and a PSA/BGS 5.5. A BCCG 5 is the same as a PSA/BGS 1 or 1.5
It's a five tier grading scale as opposed to a ten tier, and the lowest grade a card can receive is a '5'. If you get a BCCG 6, for instance, the slab will read 'Very Good or better'. I do find it telling that you dismiss BCCG without so much as understanding their grading scale, but to each his own...
So, while the numbers don't correspond to the PSA/BGS numerical grades, that doesn't mean the grades themselves are inflated. An SGC 10, for instance, obviously isn't the same as a PSA 10, but that doesn't mean that SGC grade inflates-- only that different numbers correspond to different grades.
<< <i>I don't know when they changed. Maybe it was nine months ago, maybe 17 months
Few posts back you said it was 2 yrs ago, which is it Boo 2yrs? 9 months? 17 months or you don't know?
Steve
And I quote:
IMExperience BGS and BCCG have undergone a pretty substantial change in the past couple of years >>
OK-- I should have said 'sometime in the past couple of years', although I'm not sure how this it all changes the scope of the debate, since the issue at hand is whether or not BCCG is--currently-- and accurate grading outfit, not when, exactly, they became a reputable grader.
<< <i>Uh, Steve, it's time to re-read the thread. I said that if you (and by 'you' I mean ' Win Pitcher') think that BCCG is a trashy grading company then you could make a fistful of cash by getting PSA 8 Jordan RC's into BCCG 10 slabs. My point was that this CAN'T be done
Scott seemed to pick up on this right away, as did Lee,
Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he
basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread.
Boo 2x you said it could be done, only when pressed on it you finally said it couldn't.
Like I said you have flipped flopped in this thread a few times.
Steve >>
Steve, you need to step back and think about this, If I thought you could move cards freely between PSA 8 and BCCG 10 holders, wouldn't that then suggest that I think BCCG is a trashy grading company?
like I said earlier, I can have my opinion and you can have yours.
Why do you insist on ramming yours down my throat.
I can think whatever i choose (just as you can)
I just don't flip flop like you seem to do.
Steve
Boo not only did you 'think' you could do that, you earlier claimed it as fact. And to answer your question I have no idea anymore what is on your mind.
I can only go by what you have said in the past and say now.
I'm sorry if I don't have a triple digit IQ like you and don't read into your banter.
Steve
edited punctuation
<< <i>Boo I understand BCCG's grading scale, there you go again making your opinion as fact.
like I said earlier, I can have my opinion and you can have yours.
Why do you insist on ramming yours down my throat.
I can think whatever i choose (just as you can)
I just don't flip flop like you seem to do.
Steve >>
This is fantastic. OK, Steve, I call uncle. You're right-- in one single thread I first came out and vehemently defended BCCG, then somehow 'flip flopped' and implied that they suck, and then came back again (all in the same thread) and trumpeted their value to the card collecting world.
Also, like I said, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. I just don't see what it's based on. You surely know more about 1965 Topps, or Mars Attacks, or anything involving coins, then I do, so I would happily defer to you on matters involving these collectibles. I'm almost sure I know more about BCCG then you do, however, so it surprises me when defend a position that, so far as I can see, has no (or very little) basis in fact, and runs contrary to the presented evidence.
Anyway, we move on. Next topic!
<< <i>Justin I would never find you interesting, especially with your dumb posts.
Steve >>
As expected. Thanks for reaffirming my approach.
Agreed, thanks for the debate..........I think
Steve
<< <i>Both Scott and lee 'picked up' on it only after you said it couldn't be done, In fact Scott's first post he basically agreed with you. I suggest YOU re read the thread.
>>
I wrote:
While I can't stand the BCCG product, I tend to agree with Potts in the respect that "nice" PSA 8 Jordan RC's would bring back a positive return in the BCCG 10.
Now, could you flip 100 of them? Doubtful, but he's not too far off base in his thinking.
I was pointing out in my first post that a "nice" PSA 8, if it were to make it into a BCCG 10 would bring a nice profit. I still would suggest, and I think even Boo would agree, that a "nice" or "high end" PSA 8 would probably make it into a BCCG 10.
I got Boo's point from the get-go just as I've understand Steve's from the get-go. But, in the words of that immortal movie line, "What we have here is a failure to communicate!"
Ive agreed with that from the git go too. That is why i asked 'how many BCCG 10's could then get into PSA holders?
Oh and by the way, I'm glad someone has understood my point from the beginning of this thread.
Steve