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Hypothetically is it necessary to Slab a rare raw gold coin in order to sell it if?

it has been seen, looked at, verified genuine and verbally graded by a legend in the numismatic community?
Why the question? First I am a cynic and not very trusting of the mail registered or not.
Second I am cheap. I do not want to cut into the sale profits of the coin anymore than what the inevitable fees will be from uncle sam and the auction house.image
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  • No, but to maximize value, I would want to slab it. If I were buying it, and it is indeed rare, the slab would add an extra layer of security and loosen the wallet a little image
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  • direwolf1972direwolf1972 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭
    No reason if you plan on keeping it.

    But if you ever go to sell it telling someone that it has been verified by a legend in the numismatic community probably wont bring in nearly as much of a premium as a piece of plastic.
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  • You can sell it to said legend if that person still is alive and willing to purchase said item.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it is truly a rare gold coin, it will bring well more in a PCGS slab than the cost of slabbing including mailing.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • I guess I know the answer but I just find it funny that most of the long time true numismatic members on this board probably have as much and most likely more experience in verify and grading coins then those at the TPG's. So is the real reason the expertise of the grade or the guarantee given by the TPG ?

    PS this is in no way a slam on any TPG or any one or group of persons who may have or might still be working for or owning a TPGimage

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    RACC
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Stacks is about the only auction house left that will auction raw coins. These auction tend to attract dealers that know how to grade for themselves so if you coin is what you say it is it should do well.

    If you want to sell it anywhere else it pretty much needs to be slabbed even for them to consider putting it up for auction.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO, if Stack's puts up a well known, pedigreed rare coin, it makes absolutely no difference whether the thing is in a slab or not.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,591 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess I know the answer but I just find it funny that most of the long time true numismatic members on this board probably have as much and most likely more experience in verify and grading coins then those at the TPG's. So is the real reason the expertise of the grade or the guarantee given by the TPG ? >>



    When you have a coin slabbed by PCGS, you have a coin which has been authenticated, examined for problems and found to not have them, and graded by PCGS standards. IMO it's not the liability but that PCGS has the deserved reputation as the best of the third-party graders. Now, compare that with a coin that has been verbally examined and graded by one person, who may actually own that coin. When you compare these two coins, it's no wonder that the PCGS coin will bring more money in the market than will the raw coin. Of course, the premium might not be enough to offset the slabbing cost, and therefore it makes business sense not to pursue slabbing a particular coin, but the fact is that the vast majority of the time, a PCGS coin will bring more money in the marketplace than the equivalent raw coin.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    No!
  • Just as a reminder no TPG was mentioned in my OP and I am certainly not a legend in numismatic circles so I am not the grader. This thread was not meant to stir controversy or bring out the home team defense. I was only trying to determine if I could realize the same price for a coin slabbed compared to raw. And I believe the answer is NO image
    RACC
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't buy a rare gold coin without it being slabbed. There are too many good quality counterfeits out there and I am not an expert in detecting them.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People are very suspicious of expensive rare coins that are raw due to the many problem coins in the market place. Usually they are raw for a reason.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,477 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess I know the answer but I just find it funny that most of the long time true numismatic members on this board probably have as much and most likely more experience in verify and grading coins then those at the TPG's. So is the real reason the expertise of the grade or the guarantee given by the TPG ?

    PS this is in no way a slam on any TPG or any one or group of persons who may have or might still be working for or owning a TPGimage

    This anti flame anti butt chewing disclaimer needed to be added image >>



    Both really. If nobody knows those experts, then their opinion/s don't mean diddly squat in the marketplace to a bunch of newbies buying on eBay for the first time. It may well mean a lot more to their friends or other experts/collectors who know them. I guess it depends on if you decide/intend to sell whether you are aiming for a small part of the market or a much bigger audience. Having the coin in a respected TPG holder provides a measure of security to those with less expertise than yourself.

    So to answer your question; no it is not necessary to slab it in order to sell it, but slabbing it will most likely get you more $$$ than you could get if it was raw.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you're selling it to said legend, no. Anywhere else, you'll pay for at least the slabbing fees in the form of a reduced price realized. What I don't know is whether a company like Heritage would reject your consignment, or accept it and then charge you certification fees. Also, if the latter, whether you'd save money over solo round-trip postasge or if they'd gig you extra for a "special handling and processing fee."
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    You will probably need to slab the coin. You'll still get bids from knowledgeable collectors, but to maximize the sale price you'll want to maximize the number of bidders and there are many bidders who unfortunately will not bid on a coin of interest if it's not slabbed by a well known TPG.


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  • Not at all, here is a MS 1908 (No Motto) Saint as raw as the day it was struck and would sell in 10 minutes if it was forsale. However, the fear of being taken in by counterfeits has caused some (sometimes unnecessary) fears within the hobby. There are enough books out there which will (if you use them) protect you from being taken in by any number of the fakes being offered.

    The fear is many times is magnified by HORROR Stories which are told on coin collecting forums.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Presumably these "well respected experts" won't provide an authenticity guarantee with their verbal affirmation if they are wrong.

    The top-tier TPGs do.

    Therein lies a big difference.

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