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This VAM Thing is NUTS - I am re-thinking this idea of collecting Morgans

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  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭


    << <i>It's totally up to each individual to decide for themselves. >>



    This holds true in context of what one chooses to purchase, assuming that one is an independent thinker and spender. However, the determination of significance has been usurped by the List makers and by the TPG’s who have elected to recognize the Lists for purposes of label designation and registry set composition.

    CG
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This one came from a UFO ( Unidentified image Orb) crash site image
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How can you define "significant" with any more one-size-fits-all application than you can beauty? It's totally up to each individual to decide for themselves.

    Well, people certainly are free to decide for themselves.The definition of insignificant that I posted was done to try to be helpful.

    I have been looking at some information on Lincoln varieties,accompanied with magnified images of coin details. It seems that the imagination knows no bounds when it comes to "seeing" what happened on some of these coins.

    Maybe I need to get my eyes checked...image

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • Raybob15239Raybob15239 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    In re "significance", I don't worry about the Top 100, the Hot 50 or the new Hit List 40. To me, that is insignificant. Of course, I would love to find high value VAMs, but I don't do this with a view to make a profit. I don't worry about registry sets. To me, its fun to find a neat looking coin with some unusual feature, then try to attribute it. Sometimes I get lucky, and I'll pull an AU R-7 VAM out of a junk box. Some times I find new VAMs... I've got 12 discoveries. Its just fun and a cheap way to continue to add to my Morgan set and enjoy coins.

    There are many folks who love the hobby of VAMming and just as many that think we're nuts and that's OK. There are many aspects of numismatics that others enjoy that I can't get my head around let alone find enjoyable. That's the beauty of the hobby. We are all collectors of coins, but we find that one subset that we enjoy the most.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Messydesk, you comments about VAM 9 just proved my point, but you don't realize it. VAM 9 is numismatically/historically significant because it is the first design variety of the series struck--it is the original Morgan. Now tell me what the significance of the 14.11 die marriage is, because the best I can figure is that one day the coin press operator said to his buddy, "Hand me one of those Morgan obverse dies, would you." And his buddy said. "Here you go."

    CG >>


    Perhaps we have different points, then. My point about VAM 14.11 and all of the other 40 die marriages of the 1878 8TF dollar is that even though there may be very few things to look at on some them, people pursue entire die marriage sets. This is no less significant than collecting 47 die marriages of 1827 bust halves. They provide insight into the operations of the mint in 1878 and the experiences they had at first when coining this design. Studying a full set of these die marriages will tell you that they had serious problems with obverse dies, and the 14.11 obverse die was one of 8 dies that failed early while paired with its reverse die, while the two other pairings with that reverse, VAM 3 and VAM 4, which is identifiable by a die chip near the denticles about the side of a D on an 1914 cent, are fairly common. If you say there's no numismatic significance in studying minting processes of the past, then it seems as though you're missing an interesting facet of this hobby.
  • Add me to the list of those who aren't interested in collecting by die marriages.

    I think somebody should assemble a grading set for each of the Morgan dollar VAMs. image

    Bob
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    All those early 8TF coins have a different design - high relief, thin rims. This includes VAM-14.11.

    The design didn't work - the dies cracked nearly immediately, and the coins would not stack correctly because the relief was too high.

    Just think cameo with deep mirrors and high relief. Yum, yum, because once you own one it's suddenly understandable why they are such a prize.
  • NICE
  • That's why Oxman created the Top 100 list. When I check for VAMS that where I stop. Otherwise I start to feel a little like this...image

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