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divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
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These people are trying to sell FAKE Donruss "AQUEOUS TEST" cards. Do not make any offers on their cards. The font on the back of the cards is all wrong.

Here is the website: Link

I repeat don't make offers on these cards.

Here is a real "AQUEOUS TEST" purchased from Chandy and the biggest and reputable dealer in these cards.

Donato

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    What is the story on these cards, short version is fine. I don't get it, they are stamped with Aqueous Test, what does this stand for??
  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
    But I always wanted a Forest Swindell - if you are going to scam you could at least get the names correct!
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  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What is the story on these cards, short version is fine. I don't get it, they are stamped with Aqueous Test, what does this stand for?? >>



    I only know the abstract. The Aqueous test issue was never something that was released to the general public. It was a manufacturing test of a different process to see if Donruss could adopt a different method of producing to cards without using the usual (presumably toxic) chemicals. To it's name, it may have used a component that was more water based. If someone can clear this up with a little more detail, that would be great.
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    From the 2005 Standard Catalog (I need to buy a new one someday)

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    Here is the period that the above mentions on a regular card.

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    And here is from the website.

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    With that horrible scan you can't see if the period is there or not but as stated the font doesn't look like any of the known examples.

    Jeff

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  • metalmikemetalmike Posts: 2,152 ✭✭
    I looked at a blowup of the scan of the Carter card using Google Picasa and it looks like it has no period after inc. Not sure about the font though. image
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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    He says they don't have the period after INC on the home page.
  • Kid4hof03Kid4hof03 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a scan of the back of my Gary Carter Aqueous for comparison's sake

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  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    The only thing that stands out as immediately questionable is the font in which "AQUEOUS TEST" is stamped on the seller's collection. Looks much different than the known examples shown here and that I've seen in the past.
    Collector of most things Frank Thomas. www.BigHurtHOF.com
  • prscott933prscott933 Posts: 1,976
    i think the font kills it...

    those prices are ridiculous by the way....
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  • onlychild1onlychild1 Posts: 19 ✭
    PSA also grades them with the identifier. Here is my Sandberg PSA 6, listed as aqueous on the flip and pop report.


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    Kevin Saucier
  • tunahead08tunahead08 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭
    Not to mention they are selling cards that aren't know to have Aqueous Test versions .

    I love his whole BS story to go along with it too.
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not to mention they are selling cards that aren't know to have Aqueous Test versions >>



    True, but there is no official count of said issue.
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  • tunahead08tunahead08 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not to mention they are selling cards that aren't know to have Aqueous Test versions >>



    True, but there is no official count of said issue. >>



    Good point... but I have never seen any Aqueous Test cards that go past 300, and I check the auction sites frequently for these and other Donruss test cards. So the list may be incomplete... but I'd think by now we'd have seen more cards past 300 image
  • RogermnjRogermnj Posts: 1,809 ✭✭
    The story behind this is obviously made up. Never in a billion years, not ever, never, ever, never, ever, not possible, would not happen, not now not ever, impossible, 199% false, never ever....

    would a "kid" buy a baseball card out of a vending machine, notice a stamp on the back, consider the card damaged, find out the manufacturer of the vending machines, get his contact info, get in touch with him, ask for a replacement, package the card, go to the post office and return the card for a new one.

    If his home page said: all of these cards belonged to a former employee of donruss he would have been much better off.
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    I remember when I was a kid and I got my mom to order me a "SUPER GIVING AWAY THE FARM BLUE CHIP SPECIAL" from Don West on Shop At Home. Finally that 5,000 count box came to my door and all 5,000 cards were 1990 Donruss. I happened to notice that they all said "AQUEOUS TEST" on the back so I started to contact Shop At Home for a refund, I thought no....lets do what they say and give them an AQUEOUS TEST. Me and my friend Billy went down to the lake and tossed the entire box in the water. Sure enough, just like the small foam tablets that turn into dinosaurs, the box grew into a 100 foot tall purple spunge Don West and we looked up at him in amazement as he screamed at us to "GET ON THE LINE NOW ! THE PHONE LINES ARE GOING CRAZZZZY !" After a few days he dried up and blew away, but what I have for sale in this rare auction on DonWest-waterCards.com are the few remaining AQUEOUS TEST cards that we didn't throw in the water. I have heard it said that these are the ones that form into Don West's voice box control and without them he will be doomed to carry on everyday conversations in his insane screaming voice. So GET ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW !
  • RogermnjRogermnj Posts: 1,809 ✭✭


    << <i>I remember when I was a kid and I got my mom to order me a "SUPER GIVING AWAY THE FARM BLUE CHIP SPECIAL" from Don West on Shop At Home. Finally that 5,000 count box came to my door and all 5,000 cards were 1990 Donruss. I happened to notice that they all said "AQUEOUS TEST" on the back so I started to contact Shop At Home for a refund, I thought no....lets do what they say and give them an AQUEOUS TEST. Me and my friend Billy went down to the lake and tossed the entire box in the water. Sure enough, just like the small foam tablets that turn into dinosaurs, the box grew into a 100 foot tall purple spunge Don West and we looked up at him in amazement as he screamed at us to "GET ON THE LINE NOW ! THE PHONE LINES ARE GOING CRAZZZZY !" After a few days he dried up and blew away, but what I have for sale in this rare auction on DonWest-waterCards.com are the few remaining AQUEOUS TEST cards that we didn't throw in the water. I have heard it said that these are the ones that form into Don West's voice box control and without them he will be doomed to carry on everyday conversations in his insane screaming voice. So GET ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW ! >>



    You out drinking with metalmike?
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    No, that was actually coherent
  • samspopsamspop Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭
    There are regular versions of the 1990 Donruss Baseball that were printed without the "." after "INC". So, did this guy buy up ones that he could find and have a rubber stamp made for putting "AQUEOUS TEST" on the back of those cards? If that is the case, he probably has just a few bucks tied up into something he is potentially going to make thousands off of.

    I sent the seller an email asking if there were guarantees on the purchases of being authentic. I will let you know if he responds.
    Mike

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  • Tvac897Tvac897 Posts: 1,478
    Don't get it...
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  • metalmikemetalmike Posts: 2,152 ✭✭
    Sir,

    I followed the provided link, and am a little disheartened that such things are being said about my collection. Skepticism is more than understood in regard to rare cards, however my collection is genuine and has been authenticated thusly.

    Much time and research has gone into my collection that is for sale, and this is the first time any such "skepticism" has been brought to my attention. Despite this, my bidders are content (as I do offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee on all of the cards)-so I am not going to let this get me down.

    Perhaps I will try to find the time in the coming weeks to provide clearer scans, if nothing else, to safeguard my collection from any would-be skeptics (or "Donatos") that may be out there-

    Thank you for your time,
    Mr. Donruss This was his reply to quetions about the cards
    USN 1977-1987 * ALL cards are commons unless auto'd. Buying Britneycards. NWO for life.
  • metalmikemetalmike Posts: 2,152 ✭✭
    The Aqueous Test cards appear exactly as the regular 1990 Donruss cards issued with (2) distinctions on the reverse of the card:

    1) Horizontally (from upper-left to lower-right) "AQUEOUS TEST" is printed on the card in bold black ink. It can be noted that this phrase is seemingly printed in standard "MS MINCHO" font in various pixel size ranges (from 10px up to 20+px height).

    2) In the upper right-hand corner of the card, there is no period after "INC" in the phrase, "1989 LEAF, INC"

    Aqueous Test cards have yielded between 100x and 2000x their base Beckett Price Guide in terms of sales, making them the most sought after Donruss cards ever printed!


    I wonder how the sellers cards measure up and why are they not graded?
    USN 1977-1987 * ALL cards are commons unless auto'd. Buying Britneycards. NWO for life.
  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Barfvader, Abe & Kevin, thanks for providing some scans and info of authentic "AQUEOUS TEST" cards. If you compare these cards to the pics on their website you will see they are not even close. Try asking for a better scan and I'm sure you will get some lame excuse like I did. This may be the person that tried to scam me over a year ago with the Nolan Ryan "AQUEOUS TEST" for $750. I got my money back though. Hope nobody gets taken.

    Donato
    Hobbyist & Collector (not an investor).
    Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set

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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    I too collect Aqueous Test cards, and agree completely that his are bad fakes. The font is all wrong on his.

    He has not done research to authenticate them. He knows full well they are fakes. He probably stamped them himself.

    Nick
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    I am sure someone gave him $850 for a Juan Gonzalez. His story is so full of himself with pats on his back about every second sentence who wouldn't trust this guy with 3K for a Mark McGwire AS? His prices and story are BS
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  • samspopsamspop Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭
    I also asked about guarantees from the seller that they are authentic. Here is his response:

    I guarantee the cards are 100% authentic, and offer a 100% money back guarantee on all items. Additionally, if you send the card to a 3rd party grading/authentication service (and my card proves not to be genuine) I will also reimburse for any authentication fees you may incur from any such 3rd party service.

    Thank you for your interest,
    Chris
    Mike

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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Can someone send these scans to PSA to see if they can offer an opinion?
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  • AUPTAUPT Posts: 806 ✭✭✭
    Nice guarantee. No doubt the CARDS are genuine. It is the overprint that is fake. A distinction without a difference, as far as collectible value is concerned.
  • onionring9onionring9 Posts: 8


    << <i>I am sure someone gave him $850 for a Juan Gonzalez. His story is so full of himself with pats on his back about every second sentence who wouldn't trust this guy with 3K for a Mark McGwire AS? His prices and story are BS >>



    On top of this, I was under the impression the McGwire AS wasn't printed as part of the Aqueous test set...

    I don't know that as 100% fact but that was my understanding...
    Mark McGwire Collector: ( 4810/5533 unique cards): [86.9% complete]
  • onionring9onionring9 Posts: 8
    Does anybody here know much about these. I took a second look at these aqueous cards and something else doesn't make sense.

    The All Star cards first were printed with an error. Instead of saying "All Star Game Performance" they said "Recent Major League Performance". The "Recent Major..." was the first print run.

    The reason I thought it was odd was because some of the aqueous cards have the errors and some do not on this page:

    Error: #694 Curt Ford
    Correct: #695 Mark McGwire

    Can anybody clarify how that could possibly be?
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  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>Does anybody here know much about these. I took a second look at these aqueous cards and something else doesn't make sense.

    The All Star cards first were printed with an error. Instead of saying "All Star Game Performance" they said "Recent Major League Performance". The "Recent Major..." was the first print run.

    The reason I thought it was odd was because some of the aqueous cards have the errors and some do not on this page:

    Error: #694 Curt Ford
    Correct: #695 Mark McGwire

    Can anybody clarify how that could possibly be? >>




    Poor research by the seller who likely made them.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
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  • metalmikemetalmike Posts: 2,152 ✭✭
    There is a good reason the cards are not PSA/SGC/Beckett slabbed and being sold off Ebay. I fell for the BBCKid off Ebay foolishness. Just another reason for buying authenicated cards.
    USN 1977-1987 * ALL cards are commons unless auto'd. Buying Britneycards. NWO for life.
  • mexisarmexisar Posts: 394
    Does anybody know what ever happen with the scam,
    I went to the site and the page was suspended
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