Dear seller

lawnmowerman · June 16, 2008 2:27PM

<< HI MY SON BID ON THIS ITEM BUT HE WAS LOOKING AT THE 1989 CARD. YOU SHOW THIS CARD BUT I SEE WE WILL NOT GET IT. PLEASE GIVE THIS TO THE NEXT BIDDER.
NEXT TIME DO NOT PUT A CARD THAT YOU ARE NOT SELLING ON THE PAGE. THANKS SO MUCH >>

My reply

<< HI YOU DIDNT WIN IT SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT. HOW ABOUT NEXT TIME, HAVE YOUR SON READ THE TITLE AND KNOW WHAT HE IS BIDDING ON OR BETTER YET DONT LET HIM BID.
THANKS SO MUCH >>

I always scan in two cards per auction for extra exposure. Him or his son didn't know what they were bidding on because they did not read the title.

I love Ebay dummies

storm888 · June 16, 2008 2:34PM

I see a NEG on the horizon.

A NPB-dummy is now almost a guaranteed NEG, if the seller
files an NPB or communicates with the SCUM.

EagleEyeKid · June 16, 2008 3:37PM

Yup. I have to agree that all sellers who scan more than 1 card in their pics
are going to be open to negs from people who can't read, regardless if you state
that "you're only bidding on the card in the title". Too many morons out there.
I understand that multiple cards may save time on scanning and give you added
exposure, but I don't think it's worth the grief.

cardbender · June 16, 2008 8:09PM

Just a few hours ago I had an ebayer ask me this exact question. I put a scan of two to four cards in each listing to save time and clearly state 'you're only bidding on the item in the title', but I guess this is too complicated for buyers to read.

I mean really, if your title states a '1958 Willie Mays PSA 8' card and your description only describes this same Willie Mays card, are buyers that stupid to think they're also getting the Hank Aaron card also shown in the same scan? Apparently yes, they are that stupid.

I think ebay should make every buyer and seller pass an intelligence test before they can register on their site. Also
a credit check wouldn't be a bad idea either (bad debt from medical bills withstanding). That would clear off much of the dead wood from the site.

edited for monkey spelling....

otwcards · June 16, 2008 11:21PM

<< I see a NEG on the horizon.

A NPB-dummy is now almost a guaranteed NEG, if the seller
files an NPB or communicates with the SCUM. >>

It will be hard for the bidder to leave a NEG considering they didn't win the auction. As much as eBay may have changed, I don't think they've gone back to their original feedback format. You still have to be the winning bidder or the seller to leave feedback.

The quoted post is an example of exactly what the OP noted that the bidder did. Failed to read and comprehend.

Aric · June 16, 2008 11:55PM

<< J I put a scan of two to four cards in each listing to save time and clearly state 'you're only bidding on the item in the title', but I guess this is too complicated for buyers to read.

I mean really, if your title states a '1958 Willie Mays PSA 8' card and your description only describes this same Willie Mays card, are buyers that stupid to think they're also getting the Hank Aaron card also shown in the same scan? >>

Does it really take that much time to crop the picture so you only show the card you are selling? I mean I can understand if you are selling dollar cards but I would think a 59 Mays in PSA 8 deserves his own jpeg.

Morgoth · June 17, 2008 12:00AM

It would take the same amount of time as someone to actually read an auctions description and understand what they are bidding on. We shouldn't let the dummies of society push us around.

storm888 · June 17, 2008 2:28AM

"...The quoted post is an example of exactly what the OP noted that the bidder did. Failed to read and comprehend...."

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"PLEASE GIVE THIS TO THE NEXT BIDDER. "

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That certainly implies that the bidder did win the card.

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"...HI YOU DIDNT WIN IT SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT. HOW ABOUT NEXT TIME, HAVE YOUR SON READ THE TITLE ...."

That implied, to me, that lmm was saying "the son won the card, NOT the father."

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TheVon · June 17, 2008 3:05AM

<< Does it really take that much time to crop the picture so you only show the card you are selling? I mean I can understand if you are selling dollar cards but I would think a 59 Mays in PSA 8 deserves his own jpeg. >>

This thread is cracking me up. Lawnmower man wasn't selling a '59 Mays in PSA 8 with images of other cards in the auction . . . that was just an example that cardbender mentioned in his post about how people don't read things carefully.

otwcards · June 17, 2008 3:17AM

<< [ that was just an example that cardbender mentioned in his post about how people don't read things carefully. >>

BINGO!!! And this thread continues to prove it over and over . . .

2dueces · June 17, 2008 3:28AM

It continues to amaze me that the general US population is this stupid.
Too bad they are just smart enough to reproduce.

otwcards · June 17, 2008 3:30AM

<< Too bad they are just smart enough to reproduce. >>

Actually, I think we wish some of them were smart enough NOT to...

lawnmowerman · June 17, 2008 3:31AM

<< "...The quoted post is an example of exactly what the OP noted that the bidder did. Failed to read and comprehend...."

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"PLEASE GIVE THIS TO THE NEXT BIDDER. "

..............

That certainly implies that the bidder did win the card.

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"...HI YOU DIDNT WIN IT SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT. HOW ABOUT NEXT TIME, HAVE YOUR SON READ THE TITLE ...."

That implied, to me, that lmm was saying "the son won the card, NOT the father."

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Sorry, that is my fault I was not clear.

Niether the father or the son won the card, they were outbid. The dad probably emailed me when he realized he was the high bidder, before he was outbid.

If you ask me, he just used the " my son bid" excuse after he realized he bid on the wrong card.

pandrews · June 17, 2008 3:52AM

post their ebay names

or at least PM me with them

lawnmowerman · June 17, 2008 4:10AM

<< post their ebay names

or at least PM me with them >>

Their Ebay Id is ineverlearnedtoread

I kid, I kid

The id is, total-saving-store

Aric · June 17, 2008 4:11AM

<< Lawnmower man wasn't selling a '59 Mays in PSA 8 with images of other cards in the auction . . . that was just an example that cardbender mentioned in his post about how people don't read things carefully. >>

I understand he's not selling the Mays, I was just replying to cardbenders comment. I don't know what 1989 card lawnmower man was selling so I can not comment on whether it is worth the time to post a photo of the card by itself. But I do think it would be worth the time to post a single high quality scan of a 58 psa 8 mays or any other high quality card if I were trying to sell it. I see this quite often on eBay and it just doesn't make any sense to me.

gumbyfan · June 17, 2008 4:15AM

Matt, I think you should've forced the buyer's kid to pay for your 1958 Willie Mays PSA 8. It's the only way he'll learn.

storm888 · June 17, 2008 4:23AM

<< Matt, I think you should've forced the buyer's kid to pay for your 1958 Willie Mays PSA 8. It's the only way he'll learn. >>

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WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 4:28AM

Never mind,

Steve

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 4:32AM

"...The quoted post is an example of exactly what the OP noted that the bidder did. Failed to read and comprehend...."

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"PLEASE GIVE THIS TO THE NEXT BIDDER. "

..............

That certainly implies that the bidder did win the card.

....................

"...HI YOU DIDNT WIN IT SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT. HOW ABOUT NEXT TIME, HAVE YOUR SON READ THE TITLE ...."

That implied, to me, that lmm was saying "the son won the card, NOT the father."

That is the way i took it too.

Steve

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 4:35AM

BINGO!!! And this thread continues to prove it over and over . . .

No, what it proves is that some here like to jump to conclusions.

What cracks me up is that they say other people are wrong WHEN they are just as wrong.

Steve

Allen · June 17, 2008 4:40AM

Anytime a member mentions a son, it is going to be trouble. I have had 2 bidders ask that I rush shipment because the item is a birthday present for their son and both ended up being total headaches. One said the card was not a rookie card when it in fact was a 1996-97 Kobe Bryant rookie, no question. He filed a PayPal dispute (oddly enough the same nite the Lakers went down 3-1 in the Finals) and he won the dispute. So now I have to wait and see if he send me an empty bubble mailer.

perkdog · June 17, 2008 4:43AM

<< . He filed a PayPal dispute (oddly enough the same nite the Lakers went down 3-1 in the Finals) and he won the dispute. So now I have to wait and see if he send me an empty bubble mailer. >>

Curious what will happen if the Celts salt the championship away with a Win tonight!

otwcards · June 17, 2008 4:53AM

<< BINGO!!! And this thread continues to prove it over and over . . .

No, what it proves is that some here like to jump to conclusions.

What cracks me up is that they say other people are wrong WHEN they are just as wrong.

Steve >>

Then you were both wrong, weren't you...

The inclusive use of the pronoun "YOU" signified that the bidder didn't win the auction. It was not a singular pronoun "YOU" designating the son with respect to the father. While it may not have been clear, it was pretty obvious from the tone of the post and the smart reply that it was the former rather than the latter.

You may resume looking for another window to shoot through.

DawgsGoneWild · June 17, 2008 4:54AM

You are only asking for trouble if you picture cards that are not a part of the sale to save time. It is not worth it in my opinion and you should not do it.

KbKards · June 17, 2008 4:56AM

I'm starting to see more instances where one of the cards in a four card picture isn't available for sale at all by the seller. You see a card you need in a four card combined picture and then you search their other items. The card you saw isn't listed and it doesn't show up in their completed listings. They spammed the picture to get you to look at their other stuff. You can't put two cards in a title and then tell people when they open the listing that the auction is only for the first or second card in the title, so it's odd in the new buyer rules Ebay plan that they continue to allow deceptive pictures. If one card is for sale then the picture shouldn't be allowed to show other cards.

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 5:00AM

Then you were both wrong, weren't you...

Just as wrong as you were, as I was referring to Aric's post and your comment about it.

Hence my quoting that post of yours.

And FWIW we were wrong only because the OP was not clear. A fact that he admitted.

What is your excuse?

Steve

otwcards · June 17, 2008 5:02AM

<< You can't put two cards in a title and then tell people when they open the listing that the auction is only for the first or second card in the title >>

If someone is putting two cards in the title, then they are SPAMMING. I think, however, that you're confusing multiple pictures, typically 2 or 4 cards, used in the auction body while only one card is listed in the actual title.

Most sellers do note that the auction is for the card in the title.

To those that suggest that the seller is SPAMMING by having a card image in the auction title that isn't available on eBay, it is a very gray area, but I would think that I would side with the seller in this case as oft times they scan multiple cards and use the image over the course of two or three weeks.

otwcards · June 17, 2008 5:03AM

My biggest gripe with regard to eBay images is sellers that post an image of the card, then tell you it is a stock photo. Typically, when you ask for a scan of the card, they respond that they are too busy but it is the same grade. Sorry, but I ain't buying the holder alone...I want to see the card that I'm buying and that the seller will deliver.

otwcards · June 17, 2008 5:09AM

<< Then you were both wrong, weren't you...

Just as wrong as you were, as I was referring to Aric's post and your comment about it.

Hence my quoting that post of yours.

And FWIW we were wrong only because the OP was not clear. A fact that he admitted.

What is your excuse?

Steve >>

Then perhaps you should quote EXACTLY what you're referring to. You quoted my statement and responded to it. There was no inference or suggestion that you response had anything to do with aric's post.

There are some straws in the corner if you want to go reach for them, too.

If I were wrong, I'd admit it. You still haven't demonstrated what you are suggesting that I was wrong about. Perhaps I get a bit verbose, but I typically don't leave room for conjecture or confusion. You, on the other hand, are so general and vague that you create escape routes without even planning them.

nam812 · June 17, 2008 5:16AM

Two (or four) cards all in separate auctions should never share a scan. I feel that if you scan 2 or 4 cards that it makes the 1 you are trying to sell in that auction that much smaller and harder to view. Each auction deserves its own distinctive scan.

clydecoolidge · June 17, 2008 5:29AM

People can gripe about buyers and ebay all they want, the simple solution for them would be not to sell on ebay. I have found that if you practice extremely good customer service (which I would do no matter where I sold items), you rarely run into problems. IMHO, picturing more than one card in an auction picture, when only one of them is for sale, is deceitful (sp?). Maybe it's not on purpose, but put yourself in the buyers shoes and wonder what the point of the multi-picture really is.

perkdog · June 17, 2008 5:29AM

Personally I dont mind more than one item pictured for an auction providing they are within the same set, many times I have clicked to see the card and found another card within the set listed that caught my eye and ended up buying the other card pictured with the origanal card I looked up- Like Nick said I agree that if its a small scan it can take away from being able to view the card if multiple cards scanned are too mall but like this seller's scans I dont see it being an issue-

Edit: It is the buyers responsibility to read the auction title clearly before bidding.

clydecoolidge · June 17, 2008 5:37AM

I agree that buyers should read the auction title carefully. I just was never a fan of the multi-picture. To each his own if it works as a selling tool for some people.

otwcards · June 17, 2008 5:45AM

If I am listing low deamand, inexpensive graded cards ($5-20 each) that I expect to sell at or near the opening bid, I will often use a 2 or 4 card scan. However, rather than rely on the puny image that eBay will insert in the action, I always embed a URL that will add larger, higher resolution images (similar to the size and quality perkdog posted) and will afford additional scans to any buyer that requests them.

For more valuable items, I typically post one large, oversized image of the obverse, an image of the reverse and closeups of the corners if the card is raw.

envoy98 · June 17, 2008 5:52AM

Matt, I don't know if you saw this one I posted back in APril.

Auction: 1991 ACTION PACKED #21 BRETT FAVRE RC PSA 9
BIN: $13.99
Winner: 417gwf (4) - You may just want to block them and move on
Purchased 1/27, delivered Feb 5.
Question from buyer:
Just wondering why you picture two cards in your add when you are only selling one....did not catch that.....good job, but I will not purchase any more from you. Those of us who are unskilled ebay purchasers would not catch that at first. Fool us once shame on us......you know the rest.

...I feel your pain.

lawnmowerman · June 17, 2008 6:30AM

<< I'm starting to see more instances where one of the cards in a four card picture isn't available for sale at all by the seller. You see a card you need in a four card combined picture and then you search their other items. The card you saw isn't listed and it doesn't show up in their completed listings. They spammed the picture to get you to look at their other stuff. >>

Actually, what most likely happens is the card you say the seller is spamming sold already and the others did not. I have seen that happen many times

lawnmowerman · June 17, 2008 6:34AM

<< Two (or four) cards all in separate auctions should never share a scan. I feel that if you scan 2 or 4 cards that it makes the 1 you are trying to sell in that auction that much smaller and harder to view. Each auction deserves its own distinctive scan. >>

If you self host your own auction pics it is not a problem. Here is the actual scan from my auction. All of my auctions look this way.

If you have a problem seeing these, you have more serious issues to address

envoy98 · June 17, 2008 6:49AM

<< Actually, what most likely happens is the card you say the seller is spamming sold already and the others did not. I have seen that happen many times. >>

Precisely. When I send in a big stack of stuff to have graded, I scan similar team, player or year stuff together. If I only have one PSA 9 Dorsett I scan it with another Cowboys card or another Dorsett or another card from the same year/set. Just yesterday I got an email from a guy on ebay offering me a BIN price for two cards that were pictured together. I replied that I no longer had the other card, but I did still have the one in the auction. He sends me an email today telling me "well, since you can't find it, I'm sure it will turn up somewhere. I'll offer you half for the other card alone then".

Which I accepted. I had to then remind him that the other card wasn't going to turn up, if it wasn't showing up in my search results, it's been sold.

For those of you that want to scan each individual card, be my guest. My sales have been perfectly acceptable for my tastes so I don't think it's affecting me too much. I did move away from the 4 card scan though as the original scan, even though there was a supersized available, was not big enough. I don't think two similar cards is deceptive at all. Especially when you make a point in the auction to say "You are only bidding on the item in the title" There's also less chance of confusion because I typically sell my stuff in a store "BIN or BO" format. So I don't have to worry about the guys trying to manual-snipe in the last few seconds and they don't/can't/won't read the auction before setting a bid for fear of losing out.

DawgsGoneWild · June 17, 2008 6:55AM

Why not do a 4 card scan and crop them out in photoshop?

lawnmowerman · June 17, 2008 7:02AM

<< Matt, I don't know if you saw this one I posted back in APril.

Auction: 1991 ACTION PACKED #21 BRETT FAVRE RC PSA 9
BIN: $13.99
Winner: 417gwf (4) - You may just want to block them and move on
Purchased 1/27, delivered Feb 5.
Question from buyer:
Just wondering why you picture two cards in your add when you are only selling one....did not catch that.....good job, but I will not purchase any more from you. Those of us who are unskilled ebay purchasers would not catch that at first. Fool us once shame on us......you know the rest.

...I feel your pain. >>

Thanks Josh

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 7:29AM

There was no inference or suggestion that you response had anything to do with aric's

Wrong AGAIN Scott.

There most certainly was. I quoted YOU, which was your post agreeing with someone else regarding ARIC.

Regarding his thinking it was a Mays card or some other nonsense.

That is why I quoted YOU directly. (I figure you being so much better then the average JOE would comprehend that)

Scott stop trying to be so elitist here.

You came down and tried to ridicule Storm. You tried to show that he did not comprehend. The problem IS you are having just as difficult a time .
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Then perhaps you should quote EXACTLY what you're referring to

I did, I quoted YOU.

Edited to add: I quoted YOU , I figured you must know what the hell you were talking about, perhaps you talk so much BS you don't know if your coming or going.

Next time be polite, no need to ridicule people. For if you do you may get some thrown right back at you. Comprende?

Steve

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 7:41AM

The inclusive use of the pronoun "YOU" signified that the bidder didn't win the auction. It was not a singular pronoun "YOU" designating the son with respect to the father. While it may not have been clear, it was pretty obvious from the tone of the post and the smart reply that it was the former rather than the latter.

We get that from a guy that can't even SPELL the word demand properly.

Ok I'm done, my point is not everyone comprehends what is said here. It could be for whatever reason.

They can take things differently. It gives for some good conversation.

Instead of just replying and giving an opinion and politely correcting others we get put downs.

That is BS IMO.

Steve

WinPitcher · June 17, 2008 7:46AM

I agree with perkdog when the pics are self hosted and really large.

When they are hosted by ebay I prefer to see ONLY the card I am thinking of buying..

Steve

envoy98 · June 17, 2008 7:55AM

<< Why not do a 4 card scan and crop them out in photoshop? >>

Because my recent order from PSA was 421 cards. I can scan 4 at a time, which takes about 20 seconds. Do that 106 times, then open up each of those 106 images in photoshop (a horribly slow to load program anyway) and crop and save each individual image manaually again? I don't have that kind of time. I have a day job, I got to the health club, I have a young daughter and a wife, I also have hobbies. Spending hours on end in front of my computer scanning and cropping all day is not high on my list of priorities. Like I said, for those that choose to do that, more power to them I really do not believe it has cost me any sales, and if it has I haven't noticed.

Edited to add: I do scan higher dollar items individually but I usually scan them at a higher resolution as well. For example, the HOF cards I'll be tossing on ebay this week will all be scanned individually, but it's a total of 30 cards. It will probably take me an hour to do it.

storm888 · June 17, 2008 8:15AM

4SC must not be having huge trouble with their pics being confusing.

I prefer single photos, but if the pics are big enough it really makes no difference to me.

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On a related topic:

Next month, EBAY is opening a "library of stock photos." It will be attached
to the SYIF in MANY categories. (Not cards, I guess, yet.)

Folks selling JUNK electronics will now be able to use photos of NEW merch
to move their garbage.

The announcement included pics of refrigerators, washers/dryers, toasters,
microwaves, TVs, computers, and tuners. I never thought about buying
a fridge on EBAY.

Amazing.

envoy98 · June 17, 2008 8:26AM

A fridge on ebay? I went to sears...

And people think pay a lot for shipping on a few graded cards, I wonder what the range is on refrigerators!

I really do wonder what ebay is thinking sometimes.

storm888 · June 17, 2008 8:31AM

"A fridge on ebay? I went to sears... "

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Sears is expected to have their entire appliance inventory on EBAY
within a few weeks. The stuff will be delivered by local agents; just
like when you order from the store or their site. Full details should
be released at EBAY-Live, this weekend.

65nova · June 17, 2008 8:52AM

Will I be able to get a brand new fridge for the opening bid of .99 cents?

envoy98 · June 17, 2008 9:00AM

That's unreal... I'll be interested to see how it works, especially with so many vendors forcing online stores to either not post a price until you put an item in your cart or foricing a min-sell price. When I worked retail we had very strict rules about those sorts of things. So I wonder if they'll have 99 cent opening bids or if you'll see $1499 as an opening bid when you can get it in the store for $1549 or something.

storm888 · June 17, 2008 9:24AM

"Will I be able to get a brand new fridge for the opening bid of .99 cents? "

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ALL of the new commodity-retailers will use BIN only, and ALL
will use the "Immediate Payment Required" feature. However,
for those sellers, the IPR is embedded inside of the BIN button;
no scarey message on the top of the page.

When you hit BIN, you get taken off-EBAY to their own cashier.
They then tell you that you have to pay; some will have a shopping cart
that allows multiple buys and ONE payment.

The IPR terms are burried in the TOS --- see current buy.com listings for example.

ALL items will be more expensive on the EBAY site than they are
at the stores' own sites. They will pay ZERO listing fees, but the
FVFs have to be paid for with higher prices.

Dear seller

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