Why do ALL the other golfers skart skulling.....balls when Eldrick gets going?
RonBurgundy
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It's the most ri-donk-a-diculous thing I have ever seen..........whenever Tiger gets going, the entire field all of a sudden skarts skulling.........it's like he puts a hex on them or something.......unbelievable.
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<< <i>Brutal course no doubt about it. But this isn't like someone putting on the 18th for $20 when they've only got $10 in their pocket - there is so much money for 2nd place and down, that I don't think Tiger really affects anyone one way or the other, Tiger just outplays them. So if a player does choke, it doesn't have anything to do with Tiger...it was just the entire situation in itself. >>
If you want choke, look at UC Irvine in the NCAA baseball playoffs against LSU last week. That was textbook choke.
But as to your original comment, I think feeling pressure from a player/team which is KNOWN for frequent comebacks does add a little to the choke factor for almost anyone. Yes, Tiger outplays them, but it takes more than that, and when other leaders feel Tiger getting hot, they may lose a little composure because they may think "here he comes again." So I think it's a little of both.
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<< <i>Brutal course no doubt about it. But this isn't like someone putting on the 18th for $20 when they've only got $10 in their pocket - there is so much money for 2nd place and down, that I don't think Tiger really affects anyone one way or the other, Tiger just outplays them. So if a player does choke, it doesn't have anything to do with Tiger...it was just the entire situation in itself. >>
If you want choke, look at UC Irvine in the NCAA baseball playoffs against LSU last week. That was textbook choke.
But as to your original comment, I think feeling pressure from a player/team which is KNOWN for frequent comebacks does add a little to the choke factor for almost anyone. Yes, Tiger outplays them, but it takes more than that, and when other leaders feel Tiger getting hot, they may lose a little composure because they may think "here he comes again." So I think it's a little of both. >>
Point understood - but I just don't think I'd choke if my payday was gonna be either say $100,000, $350,000 or $500,000 with no risk involved other than my time and effort.
<< <i>Point understood - but I just don't think I'd choke if my payday was gonna be either say $100,000, $350,000 or $500,000 with no risk involved other than my time and effort. >>
In any event, give Rocco Mediate a lot of credit here. He seems unfazed by the Tiger thing, and maybe it's no accident that he might overcome the common Tiger-Is-Coming pressure because he looks so loose and relaxed out there. He looks like he's having the time of his life.
I love it when those clowns scream it when a guy is teeing off on a 500 + Par 5
Nothing against Tiger personally, but I really wanted to see Mediate win it. At 45, he's never won a major. Plus he seemed like such a good guy having a great time out there. But at the same time you know that when Tiger needs to make a big shot on Sunday in a major, he's going to make it and you can take it to the bank. Unreal.
And I really feed bad for Rocco -- he will probably shoot 78 tomorrow.
Rocco had the "oh s***" look when tiger sank that putt.
What's the chances of Rocco winning tomorrow? About as close to zero as you can get?
<< <i>Riveting finish. Kinda sucks they have to play a whole round tomorrow. A sudden death playoff would have been much more exciting -- the USGA should really think about changing this to a "regular" playoff in the future.
And I really feed bad for Rocco -- he will probably shoot 78 tomorrow. >>
Yep. It seems like when someone is *this close* to finishing something off and they fail to do so, they fall apart like a cheap suit the next day.
Like UC Irvine did against LSU last week. Like my Giants did in 2002 in Game 6 against the Angels in the World Series. Like the 1985 Cardinals after the Don Denkinger call. Like the 2004 Yankees who turned a potential sweep against the Red Sox into an ignominious, historical collapse.
Sports history is filled with teams and players *this close* to sealing the deal but are caught and denied at the last possible moment, and more often then not they don't show up in the finale.
I suspect Rocco's only hope is that Tiger's knee takes a serious turn for the worse. Because other than that, you just don't get multiple chances to put down a guy like Tiger. On the flip side, if he stays relatively loose and unflappable, maybe he won't choke. But even if he doesn't choke, if Tiger smells blood, forget it -- at least in a major. The amazing thing is that if this weren't a major, Tiger probably wouldn't even be playing on that knee.
... just talking out of my "behind" here, but if R. Mediate thinks that he has to go toe to toe with Tiger Woods tomorrow in a 18-hole playoff to win decide the champion of the U.S. Open, I'd imagine his chances are slim and none. On the other hand, if he view tomorrow as another 18 holes on a tough golf course, I'd say his chances are as good as any.
/s/ JackWESQ
<< <i>I'd imagine his chances are slim and none >>
Wonder what the Vegas odds are.
Connectcoin I agree, 18 holes tomorrow? C'mon! Keep playing! Kind of anticlimactic to wait until tomorrow.
Although NBC will make a ton off advertising.
Ok, this thing starts at noon, which is 3:00 eastern. It'll get over, what? 4:30/5:00? I gotta get to a bar or something.
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Ok, this thing starts at noon, which is 3:00 eastern. It'll get over, what? 4:30/5:00? I gotta get to a bar or something. >>
You're saying 5 pm west coast time right? If you meant east coast, it probably won't be done over here until 6-7 pm.
hooked up to the bottom of that hole or what?
I also liked how when Tiger made a bad shot he started limping or went for the knee, and then when he sank a putt he was
doing cartwheels on it. I wish I had a dollar for everytime the announcers mentioned the bum knee.
As far as Westwood....no thanks, Brits don't win the US Open, go back across the pond and play your BP Open. 72nd hole, playing with
Tiger in front of a huge audience.....dude couldn't of hit the fairway if he was allowed to throw it on!
My prediction:
Rocco and the fans: 1
Tiger and the bum knee: 0
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<< <i>I'd imagine his chances are slim and none >>
Wonder what the Vegas odds are.
Connectcoin I agree, 18 holes tomorrow? C'mon! Keep playing! Kind of anticlimactic to wait until tomorrow.
Although NBC will make a ton off advertising.
Ok, this thing starts at noon, which is 3:00 eastern. It'll get over, what? 4:30/5:00? I gotta get to a bar or something. >>
if you tune in at 3 PM Eastern, you might get to watch three or four holes of golf. Start time is 9:00 AM Pacific, which works out to 11 central (my time) and noon eastern.
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<< <i>Wonder what the Vegas odds are. >>
Tiger -370
Rocco +310
<< <i>Many times the announcers noticed that it didn't matter what the shot's results were compared to Tigers reaction. They even mentioned you couldn't tell by his reaction what type of shot he hit. >>
Did you not see Tiger throw his club down in disgust on his second shot from 18 out of the bunker?
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<< <i>Wonder what the Vegas odds are. >>
Tiger -370
Rocco +310 >>
So this bookie is basically stating that Tiger would only beat this guy in this situation once every 3.7 times they played? Me don't think so - Tiger would beat this guy heads up 9 times out of 10 for any 18 holes...and in a situation such as this heads up for a major...how about 99 times out of a 100, at least.
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<< <i>Many times the announcers noticed that it didn't matter what the shot's results were compared to Tigers reaction. They even mentioned you couldn't tell by his reaction what type of shot he hit. >>
Did you not see Tiger throw his club down in disgust on his second shot from 18 out of the bunker? >>
And there was no comment at all on that from the announcers...I guess the announcers didn't want to feel the wrath of Tiger later on from him, by commenting in any way on Tiger throwing the club.
But evidentally the "temper tantrum" worked as Tiger got focused and wound up making a birdie.
<< <i>Tiger -370
Rocco +310
So this bookie is basically stating that Tiger would only beat this guy in this situation once every 3.7 times they played? Me don't think so - Tiger would beat this guy heads up 9 times out of 10 for any 18 holes...and in a situation such as this heads up for a major...how about 99 times out of a 100, at least. >>
Doesn't the 'minus' sign indicate the favorite? Looks to me that the bookie is saying that you have to bet $370 to win $100 on Tiger, and you have to bet $100 to win $310 on Rocco.
In other words, Tiger is heavily favored, probably expected to win 75-80% of the time.
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<< <i>Tiger -370
Rocco +310
So this bookie is basically stating that Tiger would only beat this guy in this situation once every 3.7 times they played? Me don't think so - Tiger would beat this guy heads up 9 times out of 10 for any 18 holes...and in a situation such as this heads up for a major...how about 99 times out of a 100, at least. >>
Doesn't the 'minus' sign indicate the favorite? Looks to me that the bookie is saying that you have to bet $370 to win $100 on Tiger, and you have to bet $100 to win $310 on Rocco.
In other words, Tiger is heavily favored, probably expected to win 75-80% of the time. >>
Of course the books might be factoring in Tiger's bad knee. But the books aren't going to allow any new bettor to come in and bet 3.7 million on Tiger to win an easy million...the books aren't stupid. This will be a "small limit" type bet offered.
I think sometimes the books once in awhile "give money away" just to create action and because they know that no sports bettor ever quit betting after winning a bet...sports bettors only quit betting after their bankroll is gone.
<< <i>So this bookie is basically stating that Tiger would only beat this guy in this situation once every 3.7 times they played? Me don't think so - Tiger would beat this guy heads up 9 times out of 10 for any 18 holes...and in a situation such as this heads up for a major...how about 99 times out of a 100, at least. >>
No wonder stevek lost all of his $$ gambling...
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<< <i>So this bookie is basically stating that Tiger would only beat this guy in this situation once every 3.7 times they played? Me don't think so - Tiger would beat this guy heads up 9 times out of 10 for any 18 holes...and in a situation such as this heads up for a major...how about 99 times out of a 100, at least. >>
No wonder stevek lost all of his $$ gambling... >>
LOL - Allright, I phrased the first sentence wrong. So the book is stating Tiger would only beat this guy 3.7 times for every 1 time this guy would beat Tiger. That seems way off to me.
<< <i>Tigga Tigga Woods! What a player. >>
I like Tiger, but I really wanted Rocco to have this one. Talk about gutting it out and playing your best golf for four days against the very best there is, and then holding him off for another 18 full holes before sudden death. And all with grace and a lot of smile, laughs and good times along the way. After what I saw of him this weekend, and though I'm only occasionally watching golf, it's hard not to like Rocco.
I'm not sure I liked the decision to conservatively lay up on 18 today when Tiger, being Tiger and needing the big shots, reached the green in two. That pretty much guaranteed a sudden death if not another Tiger miracle eagle putt on 18. Laying up might have been the right strategy up by one stroke heading to 18 if your opponent is not named Eldri...err, Tiger.
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<< <i>Hats off to Rocco for a great effort. >>
Amen to that. The dude played a hell of a tournament and I think the world learned more about Rocco Mediate in the last three days than they knew about him in the 15 years prior. So even if he didn't get his first major, at least he'll probably retire a lot less obscure, a bit more beloved and a little bit wealthier than if he didn't push Tiger to the brink.
<< <i>Hats off to Rocco for a great effort. >>
If they had ended the tourney after the 18 playoff holes and given the trophy to both players I would not have been disappointed.
A great show by both men.
The bunker shot by Tiger on the 15th(?) was amazing. 187 yards from the next door hole fairway bunker and you get to 30 feet from the hole. He wailed on that little pill.
<< <i>Did you not see Tiger throw his club down in disgust on his second shot from 18 out of the bunker? >>
Your are arguing two seperate points. Kevin was saying Tiger was using his knee as an excuse when he hit bad shots by limping around which he did not, he limped around on good and bad shots. I never argued Tiger doesn't show his emotions or gets mad and throw clubs. Two seperate arguments and one I never made.
Bryan Chu, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 17, 2008
After winning the U.S. Open, Tiger Woods admitted his surgically repaired left knee was feeling a bit sore.
The question is, as Woods winced and hobbled his way to the finish, was he putting his career at risk? He acknowledged that doctors have said he could hurt it more by playing through the pain.
Although it's not publicly known what kind of surgery Woods had, there are two types of procedures he could have had for cartilage damage: articular cartilage (the Teflon-like coating which helps two bones move smoothly at the joint) and, more typically, meniscus (a disc in the knee that acts like a shock absorber), said Dr. Susan Lewis, an orthopedic surgeon at Saint Francis Hospital in San Francisco.
"He could have had either or both," said Lewis, who has operated on athletes in the past and said two months of recovery time is typical for athletes that have a surgery similar to Woods'. "I would think it's more suggestive of articular cartilage damage. That irritates the joint and hurts the knee and can be problematic.
Lewis also said that articular damage leads to arthritis in the knee and that Woods is "putting extra risk on himself just because of the torque involved on the knee in golf."
The mid-April procedure was Woods' second surgery on the same knee in the last five years.
"It rarely requires two operations this closely together if the cartilage was repaired," said Dr. Howard A. Cohen, an orthopedic surgeon in San Mateo. "He is making his knee worse in the short-term (by playing). Whether he's really compromising the medium or long term function of his joint is anyone's guess."